Perhaps I should learn Greek
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Appointed To Eternal Life?
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GodisgraciousR325
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I have a question, do know any other Languages besides English as I know some other languages and there are times when something can be generically translated as such, but it also have a deeper meaning. This seems to be the reason for the usage of the italics in the Geneva Bible and onwards, maybe some before used it.
Anyhow, we don't need to learn Greek/Hebrew, it taketh years to fully understand it, though I guess there is no evilness of learning it, but we should just trust the English.
The King James Bible scholars were educated, some were even understanding this biblical languages when they were yet a youth, some even knew more than 15 lanuages, they also compared the preveious translations, foreign bibles and checked the Hebrew/Greek/Amaramic.
There is no need for any relearning of the Greek/Hebrew, and we don't speak Biblclical Hebrew/Greek in the 21st century.
I believe the Bible, there is no need for any liberal, Bible corrector, money makingness, we have the word of God and no need to change it. Its enough they have doubted the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, they are the ones privily bringing in damnable heresies of adding and subtracting from the word of God. Even denying the Lord Jesus.
Also, I do know that the King James translators were mostly Anglican and had some doctrine that I would not believe in. Anyhow, they were not biased in their translation and even the Bible rebukes some of the unscriptural views of the Anglican Church.
I only know some Italian swear words… LOL because I’m from Northern New Jersey & I worked in the construction business in NY and NJ, so I have dialectic abilities for Nablatan, Calebrase & Sicilian (your basic Southern Italian).
May I ask your age….you can answer in age bracket if you like…I’m a baby boomer & I think my sons Millennial.
GodisgraciousR325
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I don't share my age.
ParticularWife
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No need to namecall. I am not a Calvinist and I am not an "obsessee". I frankly don't care who invented it.
ParticularWife
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Not being a Calvinist is not what I was talking about. Some people are fixated on predestination and talk about Calvin as a heresiarch. That's different from disagreeing with him and Luther.
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
"Ordained" is tasso in the Greek and means to place in order. There may be a possibility that what is meant is the emphasis on arrangement more than the placing such that a mechanism is in place for gentiles to be processed into eternal life. by their faith through Christ. What may be in view here is less the act of God on an individual basis and more the description of how God established a mechanism of gentiles to come out of an unsaved state to an orderly saved state.
"Ordained" is tasso in the Greek and means to place in order. There may be a possibility that what is meant is the emphasis on arrangement more than the placing such that a mechanism is in place for gentiles to be processed into eternal life. by their faith through Christ. What may be in view here is less the act of God on an individual basis and more the description of how God established a mechanism of gentiles to come out of an unsaved state to an orderly saved state.
Brightfame52
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You must be kidding !
Brightfame52
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Being appointed to eternal life may be connected to the arrangement within the everlasting covenant, when the heirs were appointed. The word means: tasso
to put in order, to station
Jesus said His Father had appointed Him a kingdom Lk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Now the Father has already appointed, determined the subjects of that Kingdom.
Remember when James and Johns mother asked this question Matt 20:20-23
20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
See that ? The occupants of the appointed have already been predetermined
to put in order, to station
- to place in a certain order, to arrange, to assign a place, to appoint
Jesus said His Father had appointed Him a kingdom Lk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Now the Father has already appointed, determined the subjects of that Kingdom.
Remember when James and Johns mother asked this question Matt 20:20-23
20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
See that ? The occupants of the appointed have already been predetermined
Silverhair
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And again we see the twisted view of scripture that you present. If you are going to understand Act 13:48 you need to read the context in which it is found.
The Gentiles and Jews had heard Paul's gospel message, those that accepted it and trusted in the one spoken of took that direction for eternal life, and believed. Act_13:26-52 is showing the contrast between the resistant Jews and the willing Gentiles and should be read in a way that places the responsibility for believing on the people, that the people positioned themselves either for eternal life by accepting the truth or for eternal death by rejecting it.
But, BF, that does not fit your man-made theology so you will reject it as you seem to do with a number of passages of scripture.
As one of His chosen, He made me come to spiritual life through the power of the Holy Spirit, because of His grace and mercy, He chose me and did not seek my approval!
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
The KJV translates Strong's G3498 in the following manner: dead (132x).
spiritually dead; destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins; inactive as respects doing right;
destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative.
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
The KJV translates Strong's G3498 in the following manner: dead (132x).
spiritually dead; destitute of a life that recognises and is devoted to God, because given up to trespasses and sins; inactive as respects doing right;
destitute of force or power, inactive, inoperative.
Brightfame52
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As per usual you cant see it.
Silverhair
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You are consistent. You cannot defend your false views so just respond with non-answers.
Your theological view has not biblical support but you cannot see that or rather will not admit it as then you would have to reevaluate your whole understanding of Gods word.
Brightfame52
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See eternal life/salvation is by covenant arrangement , promise to a seed Gal 3:15-18
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
The inheritance is salvation and all its blessings, eternal life, now those Gentiles who were appointed to eternal life were heirs, salvation has been promised to them Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
I know you wont understand this, but there may be someone else this will be helpful to
Silverhair
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Yes salvation is by a covenant/promise made to Abraham. That salvation would only be by faith in his seed, Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ.
Salvation is promised to both Jews and Gentiles via one means only, faith in the risen Christ.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
DaveXR650
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Yes, when you just grab a Bible and read Acts chapter 13 as a whole it's clear that the problem was that Jews were not convinced that gentiles belonged there and the idea that gentiles were being saved because it was "ordained" was to hammer home that gentiles were indeed part of this and by God's design. The Old Testament scripture reference is even given to show that gentile salvation was ordained. When Paul tells the Jews that they had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life scripture doesn't say they were ordained to not be part of this.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
And His Seed. That seed is Christ and His Church Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham/and His seed by promise.
And His Seed. That seed is Christ and His Church Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham/and His seed by promise.
Silverhair
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The promise was made to Abraham and his seed. I notice that you avoided "He saith not, And to seeds, as of many" Abraham's seed was Christ. We are only saved through Christ, we are only heirs of God through faith in Christ. We receive the promise, salvation, by faith in Jesus just as we are told in
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who
believe.
Which I see you conveniently ignored when you responded to my post.
Ignoring the verses that show the error of your view does not make your view correct.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
Correct, and Abrahams Seed is Christ and His Church, for Christ and His Church ar One so we have all who belong to Christ are Abrahams seed Gal 3:16,29
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So Salvation/Eternal life was promised to Christ and His Church before the world began Titus 12
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Eternal life is given to Heirs
Correct, and Abrahams Seed is Christ and His Church, for Christ and His Church ar One so we have all who belong to Christ are Abrahams seed Gal 3:16,29
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So Salvation/Eternal life was promised to Christ and His Church before the world began Titus 12
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Eternal life is given to Heirs