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Regarding 'Godhead'
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David Lamb
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There are many words and phrases which don't occur in the bible that Christians use to express biblical concepts. Here are just some: The Lord's Supper, theology, hermeneutics, tract. I am sure there are many more. That doesn't mean that there is anything unbiblical about things like theology and the Lord's Supper. "Trinity" is similar. Now of course it's possible to use the word Trinity wrongly, and to suggest belief in three Gods, but there is nothing wrong in the word itself.
Do you deny that God the Father is a person?
Do you deny that the Lord Jesus Christ, God the Son, is a person?
Do you deny that God the Holy Spirit is a person?
Do you deny that the Lord Jesus Christ is God?
Do you deny that God the Father is God?
Do you deny that the Holy Spirit is God?
I guess you're taking Col. 2:9 literally?
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
So you're saying Christ is all three? The Three in One.
The only way you can explain the clear conversations between the Father and the Son found in Scripture, is to say that at times they can be independent of one another.
Am I in the ballpark?
He's a Pentecostal Oneness, or a variation of it.
David Lamb
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In his profile he says he's a Baptist.
A quote from Z on The Chosen, "would you believe this is not the strangest thing I've seen this week?"
David Lamb
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I think I get your point, although I have never watched "The Chosen."
The days of a Baptist being a Baptist are far in the past.
David Lamb
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Perhaps it would be more accurate to say, "The days of everybody who calls himself a Baptist actually being a Baptist are far in the past," but I know what you mean.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say, "The days of everybody who calls himself a Baptist actually being a Baptist are far in the past," but I know what you mean.
Yes, I agree your quote is more accurate.
The word Trinity and the concept of it is not teaching that God is three persons. The Bible teaches quite clearly that God is one.
God is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. They are ONE.
There is so much wisdom in this.
The word "Godhead" is an English translation of the Greek word "theios" (G2304) and refers to the "divine nature" of a deity.
So if you believe God's divine nature is "One God in Three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you can read that into the text. Likewise, if you do not believe in the Trinity, you can believe His nature is One, not three Persons.
This is the problem with ill defined terms. People use the same word, as if agreeing, but actually believe very different things.
Acts 17:29
So since we are God's offspring, we should not think the Deity's divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image made by human skill and imagination.
2 Peter 1:3
Seeing the Deity's divine nature, His power, has bestowed on us everything necessary for life and godliness through the rich knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and excellence.
2 Peter1:4
Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the Deity's divine nature, after escaping the worldly corruption that is produced by evil desire.
So if you believe God's divine nature is "One God in Three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you can read that into the text. Likewise, if you do not believe in the Trinity, you can believe His nature is One, not three Persons.
This is the problem with ill defined terms. People use the same word, as if agreeing, but actually believe very different things.
Acts 17:29
So since we are God's offspring, we should not think the Deity's divine nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image made by human skill and imagination.
2 Peter 1:3
Seeing the Deity's divine nature, His power, has bestowed on us everything necessary for life and godliness through the rich knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and excellence.
2 Peter1:4
Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the Deity's divine nature, after escaping the worldly corruption that is produced by evil desire.
37818
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Acts of the Apostles 17:29, Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Romans 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: . . .
Colossians 2:9, For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Not a correct statement.
God the Father, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons who are the same God.
That is at least two false non-Christian teachings.
theotēs (G2320) translated "Godhead" by the KJV, in Colossians 2:9 should read,
The entirety of the Deity's divine nature dwells within Christ's body.
theiotēs (2305) translated "Godhead" by the KJV, in Romans 1:20 should read,
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and the Deity's divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Thus G2304, G2305 and G2320 all are used in scripture to refer to the "Deity's divine nature"
The entirety of the Deity's divine nature dwells within Christ's body.
theiotēs (2305) translated "Godhead" by the KJV, in Romans 1:20 should read,
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and the Deity's divine nature, have been clearly perceived, being understood by what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Thus G2304, G2305 and G2320 all are used in scripture to refer to the "Deity's divine nature"
The actual issue of this "Regarding Godhead" thread is the problem created by translating the original language words or phrases into words or phrases that are outside the commonly held vocabulary of the audience. So you translate "theiotes" into "godhead" and then explain "godhead" means "trinity" or "deity" or whatever. This issue increases over time, because what was within the common vocabulary of say the folks of 1611, might not still be in the common vocabulary.
This is the very reason, and the many other examples in the KJV in which I said, the KJV forces you to dig, you have to work and go to the Hebrew and Greek to understand the true meaning.
The word, "Godhead" is one of the many keywords in the KJV that I have been talking about.
If you use the KJV you're not reading the translation of someone else that could lead you astray here and there, you are finding for yourself the translation through the key words.
This is the principle of using the KJV.