The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Christs death produces saving results in that by it the Children of God/Sheep/Church is gathered unto God Jn 11:50-52

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that [in order that] also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Clearly the purpose of His dying for that nation [jews] but not them only[gentiles] was for the gathering of them together to form them into One People unto God. This is also expressed earlier in John here Jn 10:16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The word bring here serves the same purpose as the word gather in Jn 11:52.

The word gather means συνάγω:

to lead together, bring together, come together (pass.), entertain
Usage: I gather together, collect, assemble, receive with hospitality, entertain.

to join together, join in one (those previously separated):

This speaks to the jews and gentiles being once separated, now being brought together by the death of Christ Eph 2:11-19

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

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This gathering was prophesied in the OT here Gen 49:9-10

9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Christ is Shiloh. This is probably what Caiaphas the high priest was moved to utter about Jn 11:49ff

The word for gathering in Gen 49:10 is the word yᵊqāhâ:

obedience, cleansing, purging,; obedience:—gathering, to obey.

The Death of Christ was designed to bring together the people of God from among all nations to the obedience of the Faith, under One Head. 4

Brightfame52 said:

I have scripture that backs it up for me to proclaim it. I dont know what it does for you, its been my experience with you, when scripture is given you, you simply say, its out of context. Christ died for all He saved by His death, iits that simple. If a person never believes, its because Christ didnt die for that person.

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BF the verses that you continue to provide work for you because you read into them what you want to find.

I keep telling you to read verses in context as that will clear up the confusion that you seem to have and the errors that you make.

Case in point you said "If a person never believes, its because Christ didnt die for that person."

You have been shown many times that Christ died for the ungodly, sinners, the whole world and yet you make these silly statements which would require you to believe in universalism which is heresy.

Brightfame52 said:

Christ death results in the salvation of those He died for, so much so, He is called the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Mine you, this is in the context of having tasted death for every man in Vs 9. Through and by His death, or His suffering unto death, He became the Captain of their Salvation, through tasting[experiencing] death. Now the word captain is the greek word archēgos and means:

the author, that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause

So by His sufferings, tasting death, He became the originator, the active cause, Captain of their Salvation. It was by this means the Father ordained many sons to Glory.

BTW the word captain is the same word author in Heb 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Christ is the author/source of our Faith. This would include the OT Saints that went before in Heb 11 as well. Christ their Mediator was the source of their faith. 4

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Christ is the Captain/author of our salvation. How else do you think we are saved except through faith in the risen Christ Jesus.

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Silverhair said:

BF the verses that you continue to provide work for you because you read into them what you want to find.

I keep telling you to read verses in context as that will clear up the confusion that you seem to have and the errors that you make.

Case in point you said "If a person never believes, its because Christ didnt die for that person."

You have been shown many times that Christ died for the ungodly, sinners, the whole world and yet you make these silly statements which would require you to believe in universalism which is heresy.

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You know you are being an adversary against the saving Death of Christ. Christs Death has reconciled them He died for into Gods acceptance and favor, thats life Ps 30:5

For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

You deny this, teaching reconciled people still going to hell and under Gods wrath.

Silverhair said:

Christ is the Captain/author of our salvation. How else do you think we are saved except through faith in the risen Christ Jesus.

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You say His death saved no one ? He became the Capt of Salvation by His death/sufferings Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Suffering unto Death

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

You say people He tasted suffering and death for yet perish in their sins. You worship your faith as the Captain of your salvation, Not Jesus Christ

Brightfame52 said:

You know you are being an adversary against the saving Death of Christ. Christs Death has reconciled them He died for into Gods acceptance and favor, thats life Ps 30:5

For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

You deny this, teaching reconciled people still going to hell and under Gods wrath.

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Just telling it like the bible say it is BF. We are saved by God's grace when we believe in the risen son.

You do not like that as it shows that your religion has gotten it wrong.

Silverhair said:

Just telling it like the bible say it is BF. We are saved by God's grace when we believe in the risen son.

You do not like that as it shows that your religion has gotten it wrong.

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Seems to me you denying the Glorious Truth.

Brightfame52 said:

You say His death saved no one ? He became the Capt of Salvation by His death/sufferings Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. Suffering unto Death

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

You say people He tasted suffering and death for yet perish in their sins. You worship your faith as the Captain of your salvation, Not Jesus Christ

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BF I have posted the clear scripture that shows we are saved through faith in the risen Christ.

Silverhair said:

BF I have posted the clear scripture that shows we are saved through faith in the risen Christ.

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Christ saved them by His suffering unto death, by it He became the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

It brought them to Glory. In fact when He rose from the dead, they rose together with Him, saved from the penalty of sin Eph 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Brightfame52 said:

Christ saved them by His suffering unto death, by it He became the Captain of their Salvation Heb 2:10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

It brought them to Glory. In fact when He rose from the dead, they rose together with Him, saved from the penalty of sin Eph 2:6
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

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Keep searching BF. It is not going to change the fact we are saved by the risen Christ Jesus.

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