The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Brightfame52]

No, not really.

You gave a verse and stated it was wrong because you believed it was wrong.

You never said why we are saved by Jesus' death or why Scripture got it wrong.

You just left it at "believe me, not God" without explaining why we should.

Yes really.

 

[Brightfame52]

Where do you come up with these silly ideas BF.

God still has wrath against sin, but because the of the atonement He is able to be just and forgive those that trust in His son.

Note what it says in John
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The world can be saved but only those that freely trust will be saved.

Its impossible for God to be propitiated as He is with this whole world 1 Jn 2:2 and at the same time people of that world be under His Wrath. It doesnt work scripturally. You dont know what propitiation is. Its not being under the wrath of a vengeful God

 

[Silverhair]

First of all, you reject the Gospel, because you call it calvinism, then you believe Christ died a death for sinners that didnt save them, thats your good news. So when Paul emphasized the Cross of Christ 1 Cor 2:

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Be sure to tell Paul, yeah but that didnt save anyone Paul. So what should a person put their Faith in Christs blood for ? Scripture talks about Faith in His Blood Rom 3:25

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Why Faith in His blood since according to you, it didnt save anyone ?

Wrong BF
First] I reject Calvinism because it calls itself the gospel. Plus the fact it promotes biblical errors.

Second] Christ's death did not save anyone but it made the whole world saveable. 1Jn 2:2 "He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

Third] Yes Christ was crucified but you continue to ignore that He also arose from the grave. Mat 20:19 "and will deliver Him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. And on the third day He will be raised to life.”

Forth] As Paul said 1Co 15:17 "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." Are you saved if you have not been forgiven of your sin BF?

Fifth] Rom 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Sixth] Rom 5:10 "For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!"

You can continue to look for verses that you hope support your twisted view BF. And all the while you are denying the clear scripture that shows your view is wrong.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

God still has wrath against sin,

Correct against the sins and the people He has not been propitated for, because Christ didnt die for them and take away their sins. Gods wrath is on them whose sins have not been dealt with Eph 5

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

The sinners Christ died for, He paid the penalty for their covetous, uncleaness, whoremongering, and God is propitiated for them He died for. So duh yeah He still has wrath for them for sin

 

[Brightfame52]

Wrong BF
First] I reject Calvinism because it calls itself the gospel. Plus the fact it promotes biblical errors.

Second] Christ's death did not save anyone but it made the whole world saveable. 1Jn 2:2 "He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world."

Third] Yes Christ was crucified but you continue to ignore that He also arose from the grave. Mat 20:19 "and will deliver Him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. And on the third day He will be raised to life.”

Forth] As Paul said 1Co 15:17 "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins." Are you saved if you have not been forgiven of your sin BF?

Fifth] Rom 10:9 "that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

Sixth] Rom 5:10 "For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!"

You can continue to look for verses that you hope support your twisted view BF. And all the while you are denying the clear scripture that shows your view is wrong.

When you take communion do you celebrate Christs Death or His Resurrection ? 1 Cor 11:23-26

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do you say in your heart, Im just asking, well the Lords death didnt save anyone ? Why not mention the resurrection also ?

 

[JonC]

Yes really.

Nope.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Correct against the sins and the people He has not been propitated for, because Christ didnt die for them and take away their sins. Gods wrath is on them whose sins have not been dealt with Eph 5

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

The sinners Christ died for, He paid the penalty for their covetous, uncleaness, whoremongering, and God is propitiated for them He died for. So duh yeah He still has wrath for them for sin

You are still ignoring 1Jn 2:2 BF.
By what you have just posted then the whole world had their sins dealt with and are thus sinless.

Appeasing the wrath of God does not take away the sin BF.

 

[Silverhair]

When you take communion do you celebrate Christs Death or His Resurrection ? 1 Cor 11:23-26

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do you say in your heart, Im just asking, well the Lords death didnt save anyone ? Why not mention the resurrection also ?

When you take communion do you celebrate Christs Death or His Resurrection ? 1 Cor 11:23-26

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

Do you say in your heart, Im just asking, well the Lords death didnt save anyone ? Why not mention the resurrection also ?

When I take communion I remember all that He has done for me BF. His death covered my sins and His life provides for my salvation.

 

[Brightfame52]

When I take communion I remember all that He has done for me BF. His death covered my sins and His life provides for my salvation.

Do you remember you say publicly, your death never saved anyone ?

 

[Brightfame52]

You are still ignoring 1Jn 2:2 BF.
By what you have just posted then the whole world had their sins dealt with and are thus sinless.

Appeasing the wrath of God does not take away the sin BF.

That scripture is about them who God is propitiated for. That excludes them under His wrath, you dont know what Propitiation means. Gods wrath has been appeased towards them. Christ death took away their sin 1 Jn 3:5

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

So did He take away their sins ? Yes or No. Was it by His Death or not ?

 

[Silverhair]

Do you remember you say publicly, your death never saved anyone ?

If I was asked yes I would say that because it is biblical. This is something that you continue to deny even though the bible has clearly, even in scripture that you have posted, said we are reconciled by His death and save by His life.

Where is the scripture verse that clearly says we are saved by His death BF?

 

[Brightfame52]

If I was asked yes I would say that because it is biblical. This is something that you continue to deny even though the bible has clearly, even in scripture that you have posted, said we are reconciled by His death and save by His life.

Where is the scripture verse that clearly says we are saved by His death BF?

No its not biblical to deny that Christ Death saved them He died for. His Death/Blood gave them remission of sins, thats Salvation Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

I know, you dont believe that either. Is remission of sins Salvation ? Lk 1:77-78 seems to think so

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

 

[Silverhair]

That scripture is about them who God is propitiated for. That excludes them under His wrath, you dont know what Propitiation means. Gods wrath has been appeased towards them. Christ death took away their sin 1 Jn 3:5

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

So did He take away their sins ? Yes or No. Was it by His Death or not ?

BF your continued ignoring of the word of God is troubling. You read into the text what is not there and ignore what is.

But it seems you are beginning to understand what propitiation means BF. Propitiation means that God's wrath was appeased, now you just have to grasp what "the whole world" means and then you will understand 1Jn 2:2.

1Jn 3:5 is true. That is why Christ came into this world and those that freely trust in the risen Christ will have their sins removed.

 

[Silverhair]

No its not biblical to deny that Christ Death saved them He died for. His Death/Blood gave them remission of sins, thats Salvation Matt 26:28

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

I know, you dont believe that either. Is remission of sins Salvation ? Lk 1:77-78 seems to think so

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

BF why do you struggle so hard to deny that we are saved by the living Christ. If Christ had not risen then He would have just been another teacher that drew away followers.

Christ's blood was sufficient to provide forgiveness for all. It was shed for many in that it was only effective in removing the sins of those who believe.

His death was propitiation His life is salvation. You only want have of the gospel BF.