Unapologetic Dispensational Truths - Is the KJV Required For Us to Believe It.

JD731 said:

Is the plethora of new English translations in 150 years at the end of the present dispensation the tool of Satan to deceive the church and cast them into darkness, knowing he has but a short time left to deceive?

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Yes, certainly. A Great 150-year-long Worldwide Apostacy.

The plethora of new English translations is The Judgment of God, IMHO.

Today, preachers have no clue what a sinner is, what the Word of God is, or what a church is, so it's a wonder anybody knows anything.

God has still Blessed a remnant to even care, when others know soooo much they knoooow better. Right, WRONG.

Word.

Darrell C said:

Actually, we are saved by Dispensational Theology. We call it the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which was foretold in all other dispensations but only revealed in this one.

Prior to the coming of the Comforter, soteriology was unclear. They understood there would be a resurrection of the dead, but they had no idea how that would take place. Especially when it came to how those who are dead would receive life through Jesus Christ.

A "dispensation" is "an administration of God." There are several Ages we can identify as specific to the Revelation men received in those times. To give an example, let me ask you this: do you think we should still be under the Covenant of Law as Christians?

If you say no, then you are dispensational, sorry. That's two distinct administrations of God that cannot and should not be intertwined. In the first Covenant, there were sacrifices that could not make the comer thereunto (the worshiper) complete in regard to sin; that's why the sacrifices continued daily. In the New Covenant, Christians do not offer up the lives of animals in their stead as was demanded of the first Covenant. The reason? Because Christ made us complete having only to offer Himself once. So, there's two dispensations that undeniably mark differing ministries of God in a soteriological context. There are more (and not always agreed upon, such as whether we could view Adam's day as a dispensation/administration era), but, these two should suffice.

If you say yes ...



God bless.

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There is a thing called Covenant Theology though

Darrell C said:

Sorry, no.

Colossians 1:23-27
King James Version

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:


While we can say the Old Testament Saints were "saved" by grace through faith, we can also say that not a single one of them were eternally redeemed. Only in this dispensation of God is the revelation of the Gospel given unto men, that is why it is called the Mystery of Christ. Notice in v.27, "the riches of the glory of this mystery" is—the very indwelling of Christ in the believer. Never happened in any other Age, because Christ had not yet died in their stead.


Hebrews 9:12-15
King James Version

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


A promise remains only a promise until it is fulfilled, and Christ did that through His death, resurrection, and return to Heaven.

So it is my own view that we must distinguish between salvation as seen in the Old Testaement and the salvation available to men today. Still the same salvation, just at a differing stage according to the dispensation of God. Just as the redemption of our bodies is a different stage from being baptized into Christ under this dispensation.

God bless.

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All who werte saved under the Old testament were actually saved by the same New Covenant that we are today as its always been the gospel of the cross and resurrection to save lost sinners

Eternally Grateful said:

I am saved by the gospel

dispensationalism is not a gospel. it is a doctrinal viewpoint.

I can believe the gospel. and not be a dispensationalist.

I would venture to say not everyone who is saved even knows what dispensationalism, or amillennialism, or all these isms are. nor do they care. they care more about loving and serving others. and becoming more like God

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To say Dispy Gospel is to say Calvinist Gospel, neither strictly true, just means those holding to those systems see the gospel along those systems of theology

Alan Dale Gross said:

Yes, certainly. A Great 150-year-long Worldwide Apostacy.

The plethora of new English translations is The Judgment of God, IMHO.

Today, preachers have no clue what a sinner is, what the Word of God is, or what a church is, so it's a wonder anybody knows anything.

God has still Blessed a remnant to even care, when others know soooo much they knoooow better. Right, WRONG.

Word.

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God blessed us with nas/Esv/Nkjv as he got the word of God into the vernacular of the people of God

JesusFan said:

To say Dispy Gospel is to say Calvinist Gospel, neither strictly true, just means those holding to those systems see the gospel along those systems of theology

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Calvins rejects dispy.. so maybe rething what you just said

Eternally Grateful said:

Calvins rejects dispy.. so maybe rething what you just said

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Neither view is the gospel, its their ways to understand and explain its meaning

JD731 said:

Is the plethora of new English translations in 150 years at the end of the present dispensation the tool of Satan to deceive the church and cast them into darkness, knowing he has but a short time left to deceive?

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Help me understand your question.

Are you asking about translations to be produce for a period of 150 years at the end of the present Dispensation of Grace?

I believe at the end of this dispensation the Rapture will occur. Seven years thereafter Christ will return and begin His thousand year reign.

"...deceive the church and cast them into darkness...".
(Mat 24:24 KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I have no idea how to respond to your question. HELP!

Wesley Briggman said:

Help me understand your question.

Are you asking about translations to be produce for a period of 150 years at the end of the present Dispensation of Grace?

I believe at the end of this dispensation the Rapture will occur. Seven years thereafter Christ will return and begin His thousand year reign.

"...deceive the church and cast them into darkness...".
(Mat 24:24 KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I have no idea how to respond to your question. HELP!

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My point is about a "transition" within this dispensation that is notable. Two things happened in America in 1901 (so it lacks a few years of being exactly 150 years) that has demonstrated, at least to me, that we have entered what Paul, in the context of the church of Jesus Christ, would call the last days. One of those things was the beginning of the long line of new English Bible translations and the other is the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements that produced many new works based denominations. Both of these movements are confusion and God is not the author of either of them.

1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

I am a person who believes the church will be delivered from the wrath of God by a pre-trib catching out commonly called the rapture of the church.

Eternally Grateful said:

Calvins rejects dispy.. so maybe rething what you just said

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Actually there are Calvinists who are dispensationalists: John MacArthur and his church and schools, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary (4 points), and others.

JesusFan said:

Neither view is the gospel, its their ways to understand and explain its meaning

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never said either view was the gospel

in fact. I said the gospel was not dispy belief..

JD731 said:

My point is about a "transition" within this dispensation that is notable. Two things happened in America in 1901 (so it lacks a few years of being exactly 150 years) that has demonstrated, at least to me, that we have entered what Paul, in the context of the church of Jesus Christ, would call the last days. One of those things was the beginning of the long line of new English Bible translations and the other is the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements that produced many new works based denominations. Both of these movements are confusion and God is not the author of either of them.

1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

I am a person who believes the church will be delivered from the wrath of God by a pre-trib catching out commonly called the rapture of the church.

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why would you use the USA as an example. the last days refers to the world. not a nation that did not exist yet?

John of Japan said:

Actually there are Calvinists who are dispensationalists: John MacArthur and his church and schools, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary (4 points), and others.

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did they teach regeneration precedes salvation?

I am not sure of JM's belief. but I do not know a Baptist church that thinks this

Eternally Grateful said:

why would you use the USA as an example. the last days refers to the world. not a nation that did not exist yet?

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I quoted a prophecy that is not exclusive to English speakers but certainly includes them. Is there any doubt that Pentecostals and Charismatics had their beginning in America? Their own historians is where I got my information.

JD731 said:

I quoted a prophecy that is not exclusive to English speakers but certainly includes them. Is there any doubt that Pentecostals and Charismatics had their beginning in America? Their own historians is where I got my information.

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I am just saying if america turns and falls from God. thats not proof we are in the last days.

Now if the world does (and I think it has) then we can talk

Eternally Grateful said:

did they teach regeneration precedes salvation?

I am not sure of JM's belief. but I do not know a Baptist church that thinks this

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Yes, I'm pretty sure JM's church is 5 point Calvinist, so I'm sure they teach that, a typical Calvinist teaching. As for Baptist churches that teach that, the Reformed Baptists and the Sovereign Grace Baptist churches probably would. The typical independent Baptist churches (my crowd) would not be Calvinist, though there are some that are 4 point. The independent Baptist connected Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary is 4 point. Don't know if they teach that regeneration precedes faith.

I once got told never to come back to a Reformed Baptist Church when I had a kids meeting there because I dared to tell them "whosoever will" may come to Jesus. Apparently they didn't know that was in the Bible.

JesusFan said:

God blessed us with nas/Esv/Nkjv as he got the word of God into the vernacular of the people of God

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Without claiming everything he's said is PERFECTLY PERFECT, this fellow below gives a great take on one of the most Astronomically Wonderful and Magnificent Masterpieces AND GIFTS OF ANY KIND FROM GOD THAT HE HAS EVER GIVEN TO MANKIND.

As opposed to your idea that "God blessed us", I have to go with God's Spiritual Advice in His Own Words, to;
"have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness". When you consider the most profound influences upon certain publications were by two individuals who founded "Societies" for the "study" and practice of anything Supernatural, with the ONE MAJOR EXCEPTION OF THE SUPERNATURAL DIVINITY AND HOLY SPIRIT ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOD OF THE BIBLE They are two folks whom we have no reason that is on record that anyone knows about that would confirm that they never even came close to claiming the Name of JESUS CHRIST, much less living for Him, if guessing something like whether they died and went to Heaven.

Something is too rotten in Denmark, with all that, for my taste. And too much rock solid confirmation, beginning with deleting nearly 20% of the New Testament, TO MAKE IT EASIER = TO NOT HAVE TO READ IT?

And then what's such a big deal about the Old Testament? Why not delete some enormous percentage of it? Didn't they feel up to it?

"What are the benefits of using the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible over newer translations
such as the English Standard Version (ESV) or the New American Standard Bible (NASB)?
What are the drawbacks? What is your opinion on this matter?

By Noone Kennedy:
"The Authorized KJV is the last Bible translation in any form of English to exclusively and faithfully translate the traditional text (textus receptus) word for word and literally, without any influence from the critical text. You need no other study tools to use it, just time and dedication. It is its own dictionary. Every word is defined by context, unlike the NKJV that uses words like “scruples” defined nowhere in it. It is its own reference tool. You can fallow words and phrases throughout it, like “the way” or “lamp” “the light” “faith” etc… I've found no other Bible that does this consistently. The language itself is a tool.

"In the language of the Greek New Testament and Hebrew Old Testament, there is a very distinct difference between the second-person singular and the second-person plural pronouns. We make no difference in modern English, both singular and plural are translated into you. However, in old English there exists a difference, just as there is in Greek and Hebrew. As a result, the old English used in the Authorized Version gives far more precise translation than would modern English. In our Authorized Version, THEE, THOU, THY, and THINE are always singular. YOU, YE, and YOUR, are always plural. If the second-person pronoun starts with a "t" then it is singular. If it starts with a "y" it is plural. This is faithful to the original languages. They tell you exactly who and exactly how many are being spoken to, eliminating possible identification errors. No other bible does this.

"The form and language are poetic, making it easier to memorize.

"It has something called cognitive scaffolding incorporated into it. Basically, it teaches you how to read it and how to understand it as you read it. No other version does this.

"It has been consistently rated at a 5th-grade level. So even a child or the mentally challenged will understand it, given time and exposure.

"But the two things I like most are.
#1 It simplifies study, you don't need to study another language, a dictionary, a lexicon, or a commentary, you just need to read and reread it, instead of spending your time in dictionaries or leaning on experts.
#2 When I'm reading it I know I'm reading what Christians read for centuries. The traditional text of the KJV (textus receptus) is traceable through history for 2000 years. The persecuted Christians of the first century read the textus receptus, John Bunyan's Bible was a translation of the textus receptus. The Puritan’s Bible was a translation of the textus receptus. The textus receptus is the text of the martyrs. It has a chain of custody for its OT dating back to 1400BC when it was first written down, and the NT has a chain of custody going back to the churches of the apostles.

"The critical text (vaticanus, alexandrus, sinaiticus) use by modern versions disagrees with themselves 7–8000 times and disagree with the traditional text (textus receptus) more than 30,000 times. The critical text is so filled with errors, mistakes, and contradictions that no one has ever translated it fully into a mass-marketed bible. If they did, it would be indefensibly and obviously c*****t to even the most basic laymen. The traditional text (textus receptus) is composed of 6059 Greek, 10.000 Latin, and 9300 various other language manuscripts that agree %98+/-."

Eternally Grateful said:

I am just saying if america turns and falls from God. thats not proof we are in the last days.

Now if the world does (and I think it has) then we can talk

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Maybe the fact that we are at the end of the 6th millennium and in the beginning of the 7th with a promise of the second coming of Christ to establish his 1000 year kingdom on the earth will be convincing.

Speaking to Ephraim, Who will be purged out of the land and cut off from the covenants, losing their national identity in 722 BC by the Assyrians. These are the strangers in Asia minor to whom the Jewish apostles wrote to after the cross and resurrection of Christ.

1 ¶ Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

If this is true, my next conclusion is that most people posting on this forum will be alive when the rapture of the church takes place. If this is not true then God has not meant what he said about the thousand year righteous reign of Christ on earth. He is not wrong.

JD731 said:

Maybe the fact that we are at the end of the 6th millennium and in the beginning of the 7th with a promise of the second coming of Christ to establish his 1000 year kingdom on the earth will be convincing.

Speaking to Ephraim, Who will be purged out of the land and cut off from the covenants, losing their national identity in 722 BC by the Assyrians. These are the strangers in Asia minor to whom the Jewish apostles wrote to after the cross and resurrection of Christ.

1 ¶ Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

If this is true, my next conclusion is that most people posting on this forum will be alive when the rapture of the church takes place. If this is not true then God has not meant what he said about the thousand year righteous reign of Christ on earth. He is not wrong.

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jesus said in that day or hour no one knows. Not even the son.

Eternally Grateful said:

jesus said in that day or hour no one knows. Not even the son.

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I do not mean to be unkind, rude, hateful, or mean but is this an excuse to be ignorant?

God rebuked men for not understanding the times long before they had a complete Bible like we do today. Neither did they have the indwelling divine teacher and 6k years of human history to give us assurance of his providence and memory of what he said. God has given us the day and time prophecy of his coming but he has not given us the day and hour prophecy. I am good with that.

I know the metaphorical thousand year day is the 7th day sabbath rest. 6 days have passed.