KJV Onlyest 1611 Psalm 12:7 note, question.

Logos1560 said:

What you do use as your greater authority for claiming that certain editions of the KJV have errors? When you seem to dismiss the greater authority of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages, what sound basis do you have for claiming that the names of God are not properly translated in some KJV editions? Do you blindly or completely trust Strong's Concordance numbers to determine which Hebrew word underlies a KJV rendering?

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I do not dismiss the importance of the words of the original languages but I understand that ones cannot learn the great mysteries of the faith and the deep things of God with these words exclusively. You have even unwittingly demonstrated your inability in your comments. Many of those you quote likewise demonstrate this truth by some of the things they say. They miss more truth than they see often times.

If you speak English and believe and study the KJV as if it is the word of God there will be certain truths that will illuminate your mind and you might even pick up on them without thinking the Holy Ghost who lives in the believer is the actual teacher of these truths and causes one to see them. I remember when in my reading Genesis, the first time I saw Jesus Christ in the OT in arguably the most important chapter in the OT and it shed new light on the statement in John 1:1 where John wrote, "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

Gen 15:1 ¶ After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 ¶ And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

Gen 15 is a turning point in human history and a definite transition in Jehovah's interaction with mankind. It is the place where he made his son known and introduced his son with a particular name and a title. This is in the very beginning of the third (3rd) millennium. Until this time the name of God has been the LORD (Jehovah) God (Elohim). Now he is revealed in a vision as the Lord GOD (Adonai Jehovah). The emphasis is on Lord from this point. His title is the word of the LORD and he fills the scene in both testaments. He is in the NT scriptures with this title 13 times. The prophets of the OT speaks the words of God that he speaks to them. (the word of the LORD came unto me saying, etc. etc. The word of the LORD is a person and it can be easily proven to someone who believes the words. Jesus is the "servant" GOD, hence the Adonai before Jehovah, I believe.

This is the first time either the name or the title is in the scriptures. It is doctrinally significant It is the time that Abraham believed God and was justified according to Romans 4.

He appears and speaks to the prophet Ezekiel a total of 210 times in his prophesy as the Lord GOD (Adonai Jehovah) and in 60 verses he is called the word of the LORD.

Example;
Eze 1:3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.
Eze 3:16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 6:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 6:3 And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places.
Eze 7:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 11:14 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:1 The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:8 And in the morning came the word of the LORD unto me, saying,
Eze 12:17 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Eze 12:21 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

Example:
Eze 2:4 For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>.
Eze 3:11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.
Eze 3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah Lord <0136> GOD <03069>! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
Eze 5:5 Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; This [is] Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries [that are] round about her.
Eze 5:7 Therefore thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that [are] round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;
Eze 5:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
Eze 5:11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall

The name "Lord God" appears in the NT 13 times. Here is an example.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is lots more to know. There is safety in learning the ways of God as well as the words of God. If you do this you cannot be fooled.

It is my prayer that the Lord be pleased with my handling of his marvelous word.

JD731 said:

I do not dismiss the importance of the words of the original languages but I understand that ones cannot learn the great mysteries of the faith and the deep things of God with these words exclusively.

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You understand and assert incorrectly as you seem to suggest that the English words of the KJV are superior to the actual original-language words of Scripture given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles. You do not demonstrate that the Scriptures teach your non-scriptural KJV-only opinions. You seem to suggest that the English words of the KJV teach additional revelation or great mysteries of the faith or deep things of God not taught in the Hebrew and in the Greek.

JD731 said:

I do not dismiss the importance of the words of the original languages but I understand that ones cannot learn the great mysteries of the faith and the deep things of God with these words exclusively. You have even unwittingly demonstrated your inability in your comments. Many of those you quote likewise demonstrate this truth by some of the things they say. They miss more truth than they see often times.

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but we can learn the great mysteries by reading an outdated flawed bible?

And this makes sense how?

JD731 said:

If you speak English and believe and study the KJV as if it is the word of God there will be certain truths that will illuminate your mind and you might even pick up on them without thinking the Holy Ghost who lives in the believer is the actual teacher of these truths and causes one to see them. I remember when in my reading Genesis, the first time I saw Jesus Christ in the OT in arguably the most important chapter in the OT and it shed new light on the statement in John 1:1 where John wrote, "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

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I do this every day with the NKJV, I know people who do this with the NASB. My wife does this with the ESV.

JD731 said:

Gen 15:1 ¶ After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2 ¶ And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

Gen 15 is a turning point in human history and a definite transition in Jehovah's interaction with mankind. It is the place where he made his son known and introduced his son with a particular name and a title. This is in the very beginning of the third (3rd) millennium. Until this time the name of God has been the LORD (Jehovah) God (Elohim). Now he is revealed in a vision as the Lord GOD (Adonai Jehovah). The emphasis is on Lord from this point. His title is the word of the LORD and he fills the scene in both testaments. He is in the NT scriptures with this title 13 times. The prophets of the OT speaks the words of God that he speaks to them. (the word of the LORD came unto me saying, etc. etc. The word of the LORD is a person and it can be easily proven to someone who believes the words. Jesus is the "servant" GOD, hence the Adonai before Jehovah, I believe.

This is the first time either the name or the title is in the scriptures. It is doctrinally significant It is the time that Abraham believed God and was justified according to Romans 4.

He appears and speaks to the prophet Ezekiel a total of 210 times in his prophesy as the Lord GOD (Adonai Jehovah) and in 60 verses he is called the word of the LORD.

Example;
Eze 1:3 The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.
Eze 3:16 And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 6:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 6:3 And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, even I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places.
Eze 7:1 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 11:14 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:1 The word of the LORD also came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:8 And in the morning came the word of the LORD unto me, saying,
Eze 12:17 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Eze 12:21 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 12:26 Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

Example:
Eze 2:4 For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>.
Eze 3:11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.
Eze 3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.
Eze 4:14 Then said I, Ah Lord <0136> GOD <03069>! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
Eze 5:5 Thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; This [is] Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries [that are] round about her.
Eze 5:7 Therefore thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that [are] round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;
Eze 5:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
Eze 5:11 Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord <0136> GOD <03069>; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall

The name "Lord God" appears in the NT 13 times. Here is an example.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is lots more to know. There is safety in learning the ways of God as well as the words of God. If you do this you cannot be fooled.

It is my prayer that the Lord be pleased with my handling of his marvelous word.

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if your using this to try to support KJV Only. It is weak

Logos1560 said:

You understand and assert incorrectly as you seem to suggest that the English words of the KJV are superior to the actual original-language words of Scripture given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles. You do not demonstrate that the Scriptures teach your non-scriptural KJV-only opinions. You seem to suggest that the English words of the KJV teach additional revelation or great mysteries of the faith or deep things of God not taught in the Hebrew and in the Greek.

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Just because the scriptures are written and can be read does not mean that God has revealed the truths contained in them. He said "here a little and there a little." Take, for instance, the entire NT scriptures. They are said to reveal "mysteries." What does that mean? It means that things have been hid from previous generations and ages. Where were they hidden? They were hidden "in God. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

Now you are not going to believe this but Jesus Christ himself took an entire chapter in the NT to expound the characteristic of this present age that he called and calls the "MYSTERIES" of the kingdom of heaven. He put it in the perspective of a growing season from the sowing of the seed to the harvest and gave 7 parables describing the conditions of this age from beginning to the end. The chapter is Mt 13.

He revealed how he was equipping his apostles and prophets as "stewards" of the mysteries of God. (Lk 19). Let me just say that, according to Jesus, it does not end well for a sinful world. It is a time of harvest when the reapers (angels) gather the tares into bundles (denominations, cults, isms, false religious systems etc and when the leaven has saturated and corrupted all three families of the earth). These bundles are to be burned in the white hot fires of the day of the LORD but the wheat is gathered into barns ahead of these fires.

Now, lets talk about these mysteries with reason and logic. Here is what the inspired preachers were to do according to the apostle Paul;

1Co 4:1 ¶ Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

Paul said he understood ALL the mysteries;

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Now the Lord gave another full age revelation to this age, beginning to end:

14 ¶ For [the kingdom of heaven is as a man (Jesus) travelling into a far country (heaven), who called his own servants (apostles & prophets), and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord’s money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler (remember this parable is in the context of a kingdom) over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Ruling with Jesus on the earth is different than being a steward.

Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

But Paul said it was the pleasure of the Lord to save him and call him as an apostle during the age and reveal the church with both Jews and gentiles entering into it through the new birth, thus with the exact same standing as sons of God.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

The Jewish prophets and apostles are the foundation of the church.

Ep 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
3:1 ¶ For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

See my highlighted text. Where was the church hidden? It was hidden in the OT scriptures but no one could see it. It was there in types and figures and similitudes and words and they affirm NT church doctrine now but not before men were able to see it unfolded. There must be history to reveal it. But Paul was given special revelation beforehand in Arabia and he explained it in his letters to the churches beginning in 49 AD.

Eternally Grateful said:

but we can learn the great mysteries by reading an outdated flawed bible?

And this makes sense how?

I do this every day with the NKJV, I know people who do this with the NASB. My wife does this with the ESV.



if your using this to try to support KJV Only. It is weak

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Knowing your religious philosophy there will be almost nothing on which we will find agreement, especially the church of Jesus Christ. You are a person who follows those teachings that spiritualizes nearly all the OT scriptures and much of the NT. I, on the other hand, follow a historical literalist understanding of the scriptures. We have nothing in common except names in the scriptures. The definition of words and names are not the same between us. I will never expect an "AMEN" from you on anything I say.

Oh, wait, we used to use the same names but now you have been taught to call God YAHWEH instead of JEHOVAH and Jeshua instead of Jesus. More confusion.

JD731 said:

However, they are not corrected with those who use the new easy readers.

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The KJVO crowd should have been corrected on this in any number of ways, but what's new?

Aren't their official Tenants they follow as rules pretty much bogus and stupid in their entirety?

Then, here we find a misinterpretation, even though what they are saying is just, because GOD HAD JUST SAID THE VERY THING.

"The Words of the LORD are Pure Words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times."

Gill had some thoughts on this, "
"This observation the psalmist makes in reference to what is just now said in Psalm 12:5,...

"For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD;
I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him."

...and in opposition to the words of wicked men in Psalm 12:2; which are deceitful, sinful, and impure.

"They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak."

"The Scriptures are the words of God; and they are pure and holy, free from all human mixtures,
and from all fraud and deceit; they are the Scriptures of truth.

"The promises are the words of God, and they are firm and stable, and always to be depended on,
and are ever fulfilled, being yea and amen in Christ Jesus.

"The Gospel, and the doctrines of it, are the words of God; that is the sincere milk of the word, pure and incorrupt; as it is in itself,
and as it is dispensed by the faithful ministers of it; and they are all according to godliness, and tend to encourage
and promote purity and holiness of heart and life; See Proverbs 30:5;

"as silver tried in a furnace of earth"; they are as "silver" for worth and value; yea, they are more valuable than silver or gold, Psalm 19:10.

"The Bible is a mine of rich treasure, and to be searched into as for it; the promises in it are exceeding precious;

they are like apples of gold in pictures of silver, and yield more joy than the finding a great spoil.

"The doctrines of the Gospel are comparable to gold and silver and precious stones, and to be bought at any rate, but to be sold at none:
and they are as silver "tried", which is pure, and free from dross.

"The words of men, of false teachers, are as dross and reprobate silver;
but the words of the Lord are tried, and are pure, and free from all the dross of error and falsehood, Psalm 18:30.

"And they are as silver tried, "in a furnace of earth","

JD731 said:

However, they are not corrected with those who use the new easy readers.

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When, as Gill says, "The doctrines of the Gospel are comparable to gold and silver and precious stones,
and to be bought at any rate, but to be sold at none:"

Is that the point of removing 20% of the New Testament, to make the word of God into a "new easy reader"?

As if that is something God would do.

God said, His precious stones are to be "bought at any rate, but to be sold at none:" so, who is that has done all the deletions of His Living Word?

God? God said, "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book", in Revelation 22:19.

Being the third to the last verse in the Bible, God has placed a Preeminence of His Greatest Attention on Revelation 22:19.

So, 20% of the Word of God is thrown into the garbage can, for no real reason,
other than to not bore those who think God has led them to "a new easy reader"?

I would check all that if I were interested in learning all that God says.

You have to go to a KJV, or similar, for the whole story God has Spoken.

And you know that.

JD731 said:

Knowing your religious philosophy there will be almost nothing on which we will find agreement, especially the church of Jesus Christ. You are a person who follows those teachings that spiritualizes nearly all the OT scriptures and much of the NT.\

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first off. You just made yourself out to be a fool. I do not spiritualise OT scriptures. I believe in a literal interpretation.

Same as I do with the NT Unless specifically stated in the text (ie parables)

JD731 said:

I, on the other hand, follow a historical literalist understanding of the scriptures.

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As do I.

JD731 said:

We have nothing in common except names in the scriptures.

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We have nothing in common when it comes to pride. You sir are a proud person. and because I reject that the KJV is an inspired work of God. You have shown this pride by multiple times now falsely accusing me,

Keep talking.. You maker it to easy for me.. When people are caught in in a cult like system, like KJV Onlyism, this is how they react..

JD731 said:

The definition of words and names are not the same between us. I will never expect an "AMEN" from you on anything I say.

Oh, wait, we used to use the same names but now you have been taught to call God YAHWEH instead of JEHOVAH and Jeshua instead of Jesus. More confusion.

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1st. You already established you have absolutely no idea what I believe. so this is just another rant.

2nd. Gods name in the OT is YHWH (some have it JHWH) (there is no vowels in the greek) Growing up. they always used the name Jehovah, which is the name I would normally used as it was what I was taught


3rd. Jesus Hebrew name was Yeshua, or Yehoshua (Joshua) The name jesus is a transliteration of his greek name Iesus (change the I to a J and you have Jesus)

Iesus is the greek translation of the hebrew word Yeshua.

why the translators of the KJV transliterated it and did not translate it. well I can not answer that question. they did the same with baptism..

next time try to study some before you make blind silly accusations. Just look up the terms, as I just did.

Alan Dale Gross said:

Being the third to the last verse in the Bible, God has placed a Preeminence of His Greatest Attention on Revelation 22:19.

So, 20% of the Word of God is thrown into the garbage can, for no real reason,
other than to not bore those who think God has led them to "a new easy reader"?

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Is this an example of typical KJV-only smear tactics and strawman misrepresentations?

You do not prove that believers are throwing 20% of the word of God in the garbage can for no real reason. You do not apply the same standards/measures consistently and justly.

According to a consistent application of your accusation, do you also suggest that the KJV translators throw a certain percentage of the word of God in the garbage can since they omitted giving any English word/rendering for thousands of original-language words of Scripture and since they omitted hundreds of English words found in the first authorized English version--the Great Bible?

Do you also ignore the fact that the makers of the KJV added many words in English for which it had no original-language words of Scripture?

Alan Dale Gross said:

Being the third to the last verse in the Bible, God has placed a Preeminence of His Greatest Attention on Revelation 22:19.

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Does God say clearly that Revelation 22:19 is stated concerning post-NT Bible translations?

If you apply Revelation 22:19 to post-NT English Bible translations, the KJV would be in violation of this verse according to a consistent application of your interpretation.

Eternally Grateful said:

first off. You just made yourself out to be a fool. I do not spiritualise OT scriptures. I believe in a literal interpretation.

Same as I do with the NT Unless specifically stated in the text (ie parables)



As do I.


We have nothing in common when it comes to pride. You sir are a proud person. and because I reject that the KJV is an inspired work of God. You have shown this pride by multiple times now falsely accusing me,

Keep talking.. You maker it to easy for me.. When people are caught in in a cult like system, like KJV Onlyism, this is how they react..



1st. You already established you have absolutely no idea what I believe. so this is just another rant.

2nd. Gods name in the OT is YHWH (some have it JHWH) (there is no vowels in the greek) Growing up. they always used the name Jehovah, which is the name I would normally used as it was what I was taught


3rd. Jesus Hebrew name was Yeshua, or Yehoshua (Joshua) The name jesus is a transliteration of his greek name Iesus (change the I to a J and you have Jesus)

Iesus is the greek translation of the hebrew word Yeshua.

why the translators of the KJV transliterated it and did not translate it. well I can not answer that question. they did the same with baptism..

next time try to study some before you make blind silly accusations. Just look up the terms, as I just did.

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Thank you for that. It is good for a person to be cut down to size once in a while if he needs it.

Logos1560 said:

Does God say clearly that Revelation 22:19 is stated concerning post-NT Bible translations?

If you apply Revelation 22:19 to post-NT English Bible translations, the KJV would be in violation of this verse according to a consistent application of your interpretation.

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Who knows when a publisher makes a mistake over hundreds of years. This is why God is so wise in building in a safeguard so the Bible itself provides a way to correct the text. Obviously this could work only for those who have confidence is the words. God has thought of everything.

Since the law or word of the LORD is perfect (Ps. 19:7, James 1:25) and since by definition perfection would exclude the presence of even one imperfection, would imperfect or inaccurate renderings made by men or any errors introduced by men be identical to the absolutely perfect words of God given directly by inspiration to the prophets and apostles? Since the statues or words of the LORD are right (Ps. 19:8, Ps. 33:4), since the words of the LORD are pure (Ps. 12:6. Ps. 119:140), and since the words of God are true (Ps. 19:9, John 17:17, Ps. 119:160, Dan. 10:21), it can be soundly and scripturally concluded that any errors introduced by men in copying, in printing, or in translating are not words spoken or given by God. Any error introduced by a copier, printer, or whomever in copies and in Bible translations can and should be corrected. It could also be soundly concluded that any words, perverted, diminished, or mistranslated by men are not the pure words of God (Jer. 23:36, Deut. 4:2, Jer. 23:28, Deut. 12:32, 2 Cor. 2:17, Jer. 23:16, Jer. 26:2).

Maintaining that errors introduced by men or words added by men are not the pure inspired words of God would be soundly distinguishing between what is holy and pure and what is not, and it is not accusing the word of God given by inspiration of corruption, of impurity, or of error.

These verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) would affirm or suggest that the later copies of Scripture would not be given or made by the means or process of a miracle of supernatural inspiration.

Logos1560 said:

Since the law or word of the LORD is perfect (Ps. 19:7, James 1:25) and since by definition perfection would exclude the presence of even one imperfection, would imperfect or inaccurate renderings made by men or any errors introduced by men be identical to the absolutely perfect words of God given directly by inspiration to the prophets and apostles? Since the statues or words of the LORD are right (Ps. 19:8, Ps. 33:4), since the words of the LORD are pure (Ps. 12:6. Ps. 119:140), and since the words of God are true (Ps. 19:9, John 17:17, Ps. 119:160, Dan. 10:21), it can be soundly and scripturally concluded that any errors introduced by men in copying, in printing, or in translating are not words spoken or given by God. Any error introduced by a copier, printer, or whomever in copies and in Bible translations can and should be corrected. It could also be soundly concluded that any words, perverted, diminished, or mistranslated by men are not the pure words of God (Jer. 23:36, Deut. 4:2, Jer. 23:28, Deut. 12:32, 2 Cor. 2:17, Jer. 23:16, Jer. 26:2).

Maintaining that errors introduced by men or words added by men are not the pure inspired words of God would be soundly distinguishing between what is holy and pure and what is not, and it is not accusing the word of God given by inspiration of corruption, of impurity, or of error.

These verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) would affirm or suggest that the later copies of Scripture would not be given or made by the means or process of a miracle of supernatural inspiration.

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If you believe what you write why aren't you arguing for a perfect Greek text? I am told there are 4 families of manuscripts and different Bibles comes from different texts that are not the same. Scholars and translators do not agree. How do you handle this in the context of perfection?

JD731 said:

If you believe what you write why aren't you arguing for a perfect Greek text?

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If the preservation of the Scriptures depended upon a continual miracle of God or on repeated miracles as some TR-only or KJV-only reasoning suggests, why was there any need for these scriptural instructions/warnings (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19)? These verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) would affirm or suggest that the later copies of Scripture would not be given or made by the means or process of a miracle of supernatural inspiration.

Since the process of the copying of Scripture was not by repeated miracles of direct inspiration of God, the imperfect copiers introduced variations and differences into their copies. Any error introduced by a copier, printer, or whomever in copies and in Bible translations can and should be corrected.

Logos1560 said:

If the preservation of the Scriptures depended upon a continual miracle of God or on repeated miracles as some TR-only or KJV-only reasoning suggests, why was there any need for these scriptural instructions/warnings (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19)? These verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) would affirm or suggest that the later copies of Scripture would not be given or made by the means or process of a miracle of supernatural inspiration.

Since the process of the copying of Scripture was not by repeated miracles of direct inspiration of God, the imperfect copiers introduced variations and differences into their copies. Any error introduced by a copier, printer, or whomever in copies and in Bible translations can and should be corrected.

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Give me a while to try to figure out if that was an answer to my question and I will get back to you. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.