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Believing Into Christ based on God crediting your faith as righteousness

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Once again you claim to be a mind reader, but ignore my post.

Here, again is what I asked:
I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the individual into Christ, or whether you believe if a person puts their faith in Christ, they are automatically saved?

Did you answer the question? Did you address the basis for the Father postionally sanctifying the person into Christ. Nope, but you ask me if I read. :)

What did you miss VAN.

Your question; Did you address the basis for the Father postionally sanctifying the person into Christ.

The answer that you have missed;
We believe in Christ
then we are positionally sanctified within Christ
by the Father.

What did you miss in that sentence VAN?

So I ask again can you/do you read?
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
If God credits your faith as righteousness and on that basis transfers you spiritually into Christ, then you have "believed into Him."
lol

Do you like making things up?

Abraham believed God And God took this act of Abraham trusting God and accounted his faith as righteousness.

Abraham Believed God.. Abraham did not believe into God. this is nonsensical.




Claiming you cannot make sense of this view is nonsensical. :)
:rolleyes:
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 WPNT
13 Now we are obligated to always give thanks to God about you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you into salvation, through sanctification of spirit and belief in truth, 14 to which He called you through our gospel, so as to obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

From the beginning - of the New Covenant.

through sanctification of spirit - being set apart spiritually, into Christ's spiritual body.

and belief in the truth - God crediting our faith as righteousness

When we are chosen into salvation, we are chosen by being transferred into Christ on the basis of our faith being credited by God as righteousness.
Jesus used the serpent in the wilderness as an example

Just as moses lifted the serpent.

did those who trust God and looked believe into live?

or were they saved because they had faith and looked?
 

Van

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What did you miss VAN.

Your question; Did you address the basis for the Father postionally sanctifying the person into Christ.

The answer that you have missed;
We believe in Christ
then we are positionally sanctified within Christ
by the Father
.

What did you miss in that sentence VAN?

So I ask again can you/do you read?
I do not believe you are so stupid you do not know you provided no basis for the Father transferring the person into Christ. Here is the question:

I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the individual into Christ, or whether you believe if a person puts their faith in Christ, they are automatically saved?
 

Van

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lol

Do you like making things up?

Abraham believed God And God took this act of Abraham trusting God and accounted his faith as righteousness.

Abraham Believed God.. Abraham did not believe into God. this is nonsensical.





:rolleyes:
I provided the scripture supporting being transferred, called, given, sanctified and believes INTO Christ!
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
I do not believe you are so stupid you do not know you provided no basis for the Father transferring the person into Christ. Here is the question:

I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the individual into Christ, or whether you believe if a person puts their faith in Christ, they are automatically saved?

When a person has to resort to unwarranted pejoratives you know they have lost.

The answer that you have missed;
We believe in Christ
then we are positionally sanctified within Christ
by the Father.

What did you miss in that sentence VAN?

Read that slowly Van and then you may be able to grasp what my answer was.
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
Off topic gibberish to obfuscate.
Sorry bro.

It is not off topic. And it proves out point.

Jesus used it in John 3..

Just as Moses lifted the serpent. so to must the son of man be lifted up. that whoever BELIEVES IN HIM will not perish but have everlasting life.

If you want to push this being off topic. You push your ability to properly reason out the door
 

Van

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When a person has to resort to unwarranted pejoratives you know they have lost.

The answer that you have missed;
We believe in Christ
then we are positionally sanctified within Christ
by the Father
.

What did you miss in that sentence VAN?

Read that slowly Van and then you may be able to grasp what my answer was.
Obviously, this poster wants to pretend he cannot grasp the issue. Did he say who decides that a person believes such that they are transferred into Christ. Nope.

Instead we get the usual stonewalling gibberish of an empty suit.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Obviously, this poster wants to pretend he cannot grasp the issue. Did he say who decides that a person believes such that they are transferred into Christ. Nope.

Instead we get the usual stonewalling gibberish of an empty suit.

Do you not understand these words VAN? "by the Father."

All you are showing is that you do not read.
 

Van

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Sorry bro.

It is not off topic. And it proves out point.

Jesus used it in John 3..

Just as Moses lifted the serpent. so to must the son of man be lifted up. that whoever BELIEVES IN HIM will not perish but have everlasting life.

If you want to push this being off topic. You push your ability to properly reason out the door
I cannot believe these posters of obfuscation actually do not want truth to prevail!

Believing Into Christ based on God crediting your faith as righteousness is truth.​


Removing God crediting the person faith as righteousness from the gospel does not allow truth to prevail.
 

Van

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Do you not understand these words VAN? "by the Father."

All you are showing is that you do not read.
More gibberish, more demonstration the poster just wants to obfuscate. In his deflection does he say what the Father does, or provide the basis for the Father's action?

Believing Into Christ based on God (the Father) crediting your faith as righteousness is truth​

 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
I cannot believe these posters of obfuscation actually do not want truth to prevail!

Believing Into Christ based on God crediting your faith as righteousness is truth.​


Removing God crediting the person faith as righteousness from the gospel does not allow truth to prevail.
I can not believe yourself

I posted truth

JESUS SAID WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT WILL LIVE FOREVER

Is this not because GOD CREDITS THIS FAITH AS RIGHTEOSUNESS??

I am not removing God. I give God all the credit.. I am just not making him say something he never said
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
More gibberish, more demonstration the poster just wants to obfuscate. In his deflection does he say what the Father does, or provide the basis for the Father's action?

Believing Into Christ based on God (the Father) crediting your faith as righteousness is truth​


Just quoted the bible Van, so why do you not believe it?
 

Van

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I can not believe yourself

I posted truth

JESUS SAID WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT WILL LIVE FOREVER

Is this not because GOD CREDITS THIS FAITH AS RIGHTEOSUNESS??

I am not removing God. I give God all the credit.. I am just not making him say something he never said
Yet another Calvinist who has deleted Romans Chapter 4 from his bible.
 

Van

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Just quoted the bible Van, so why do you not believe it?
Yet more gibberish, believing John referred to positional sanctification when he used the inspired phrase believes into Him, is believing the bible.

I asked for the basis of the Father's action, and you deflected.
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
Yet another Calvinist who has deleted Romans Chapter 4 from his bible.
yest another lost soul who thinks they know it all

1. I am not a calvinist.
2. Romans 4 supports me

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS

what is counted as righteousness? the faith of abraham

what did Abraham trust? the promise of God.

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION


Anyway. Next.. when your ready to talk about the word. let us know..
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Yet more gibberish, believing John referred to positional sanctification when he used the inspired phrase believes into Him, is believing the bible.

I asked for the basis of the Father's action, and you deflected.

The answer that you have missed;
We believe in Christ
then we are positionally sanctified within Christ
by the Father.
What did you miss in that sentence VAN

Your comments just show that you do not read what is posted Van.
 

David Lamb

Well-Known Member
Yet more gibberish, believing John referred to positional sanctification when he used the inspired phrase believes into Him, is believing the bible.

I asked for the basis of the Father's action, and you deflected.
But John wasn't inspired to write the phrase, "believes into Him." English wasn't even around then. The Greek word he used which you say should be translated into English as "into" was eis, which most English versions translate as "in."
 
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