Mur
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Did you read my post above yours?
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What can you tell us about Jesus's forever torture chamber?
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Did you read my post above yours?
Mur
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I dont know how long anyone is chastened. The Bible says that every tongue will confess, that Jesus is the Savior of ALL PEOPLE, and that God will be all in ALL.
Mur
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Ok. So you believe that God and Jesus are both incompetent failures. You believe that the Gates of Hell prevail over Jesus. So be it.
All humanity will be saved regardless of whether or not they put their faith in Christ while in this life or not.
Mur
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Yes. Jesus's sacrifice saves ALL from forever death. Those that follow Jesus are assured of going straight to Heaven upon death. The wicked, as judged by Jesus, go elsewhere for chastening and at some point thereafter they too will freely choose to follow Jesus. After all, Jesus IS the savior of ALL PEOPLE because he actually saves all people! Why doesn't your church teach this doctrine as Paul commanded?
1 Timothy 4:10-11
English Standard Version
10 For to this end we toil and strive,[a] because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
11 Command and teach these things.
Thank you
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. - Luke:13
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. - Luke:13
No, it doesn't. And, it is supported by Scripture
Does Purgatory Deny Christ's Sacrifice?
Some Protestants say that suffering for our sins in purgatory contradicts the sufficiency of Christ’s work on the cross. Does their argument have merit?
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God? - Ezekiel 18:23
If Christ had delight in the fate of the wicked he never would have come to planet earth.
If Christ had delight in the fate of the wicked he never would have come to planet earth.
Jesus didn’t create Hell. It’s a place and state absent of God and all that is good, which comes from God.
God allows people a choice to be with Him or not be with Him. To Love Him or reject Him.
The tortures are first the loss of God,
Second, perpetual remorse of conscience.
Third, the knowledge that one’s condition will never change.
Fourth is the fire set in the soul will burn without destroying the soul. We were made to live for eternity with God, not to fail our existence, to be without God.
This fire is lit by God’s Just anger for refusing His Love and Mercy that has always been offered by Him from conception to death. Those that are exposed to this anger are burned forever in their souls from the sight of it.
Fifth, Continual darkness, suffocation from the smell of evil and death, they do however see the demons and other evil souls and their sins and sufferings. And they constantly see their own evil.
Sixth, is the constant company of Satan.
Seventh, Horrible despair, hatred of God, constant blasphemy and cursing of God. As opposed to Heaven where all souls sing Gods praise in love and joy.
This the common state of all souls in Hell.
The choirs of Hell never stop screaming, hatred of God and each other.
Then there are particular sufferings that souls suffer according to how each has sinned through his senses in life. The body will be united to the soul and will suffer in all its senses, on top of all spiritual sufferings. There is no reprieve from the suffering, there is no rest, no breaks, no time freshen up, or sleep. There is no water in Hell and definitely no cold drinks.
Although all these sufferings are bad enough, the first suffering, the loss of God is the worst. Because even in this life as bad as it might get, we are always surrounded by God’s love. Sinner or Saint, God is always with us either pleading with us to repent or sanctifying us to greater holiness.
The soul instantly notices the loss of God, and this is the greatest dread.
Having said all this, no words are adequate to describe Hell properly.
Mur
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Yes, because a theology must be false if the world doesn't agree with it.
John 15:19
English Standard Version
19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Mur
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John 1:3
English Standard Version
3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Mur
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Will Jesus succeed at reconciling all things to himself?
Yes but hell is a state. So although Earth is created by God, there are hellish states that are created by man, and blissful states created by man also.
God does not create the hellish state, Man and demons do.
Although God created our souls, our sin destroys the state of our soul.
So the Kingdom of God can be within you, but so can the kingdom Hell.
This is where people slide into gross error because of wrong definitions.
Jesus ‘redeemed’ all men by his death on the Cross.
Jesus paid for everyone’s first class tickets to eternal salvation, but you have claim the gold boarding pass at front desk and be put on the passenger manifest by name in the book of life.
Jesus will not save you against your will, He won’t force you onto the plane. He is not into rendition.
Even though Jesus generously paid for everyones first class tickets for flights and accomodation, servants, food, cigars, open bar, and Lū’au. Something none of us could afford, people reject the offer, don’t show up redeem the tickets for the boarding pass.
There are only volunteers for Heaven or Hell.
“I've set life and death before you today: both blessings and curses. Choose life”
Deut 30:19.