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Points of disagreement.
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KJVO, as its a very destuctive held position among Baptist churches
37818
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I am of the opinion the primary KJV defense ought to be it has the English second person singular pronouns. Most modern transportation doesn't.
Goodness.....
Right now I woukd be say a faithfulness to Scripture.
Many of our differences are related to traditions. I believe if we could trust in the words of God rather than understandings we would be more unified (granted, different interpretations would exist, but Jesus would make us stand - these would be interpretations of "what is written").
Culture is another aspect I would address. We tend to segergate by age, race and gender. But the young can learn from the old (and vice versa), race is a social construct (we are one race, a chosen race, a priesthood of believers).
Secular politics would probably be 3rd on my list.
Right now I woukd be say a faithfulness to Scripture.
Many of our differences are related to traditions. I believe if we could trust in the words of God rather than understandings we would be more unified (granted, different interpretations would exist, but Jesus would make us stand - these would be interpretations of "what is written").
Culture is another aspect I would address. We tend to segergate by age, race and gender. But the young can learn from the old (and vice versa), race is a social construct (we are one race, a chosen race, a priesthood of believers).
Secular politics would probably be 3rd on my list.
37818
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37818
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What disagreement on salvation?
1 John 5:1, ". . . Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . ."
I hear you, Brother. But it's not that simple for many.
What disagreements on salvation, as think all saved here would see it as saved by grace alone received thru faith alone
Would add also very important to get to where the Psa view on the Atonement is re energized into Baptist pastors pulpits and at our seminaries
37818
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Then a narrower view than even discussing a view if disagreed on.
A more biblical view on the Atonement
I would agree on how we are saved, but disagree that all here see it that way.
Agreed, as some would hold to heresy of baptismal regeneration, sacramental gracing, or good works plus faith saves us
I disagree with the SBC (the convention) quite often. But I think that the SBC and the Northern Baptists started off right regarding theories of Atonement (bear with me, I have a point relevant to the OP).
At the start Penal Substitution Theory was a minority view among Baptists. But it was a view.
Although the designer of the SBC and first president (and president of the SC Baptist convention for 27 years) strongly objected to the Penal Substitution Theory he did not believe it should be a test for cooperation between churches.
The first SBC faith and message was intentionally written not to exclude churches that held Penal Substitution Theory. The Northern Baptists held a similar position.
So while a point of disagreement it was not a point of separation.
But, a negative effect can also be seen. Over the 20th century Penal Substitution Theory grew from a minority to a majority position. This shift also carried a change in what positions would be points of separation or isolation.
So agreeing to disagree may be the best solution, but it can be problematic as time goes on.
37818
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Isaiah 53:6, . . . the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Js NOT theory. It is Biblical FACT.
Romans 5:8, But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
I agree that God laid the iniquity of us all on Christ. You simply missed my posts.
God laid our sin on Jesus.
God laid Jesus' righteousness on us.
Jesus bore our sins.
We bear His righteousness.
The language of God laying on does not mean taken from and put on. God does not take Jesus' righteousness from Him.
The Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement is a theory. The reason is it is not in the Bible.
As Baptists we need to be governed by the Spirit of Unity, not tolerant of doctrines that divide.
One side says we are not obedient to scripture, and the other side, yes we are, and you are the ones who do not understand it.
One side says Christ died as a ransom for all, the other side says Yes, Christ died for all those chosen before creation.
One side says the Bible is inerrant, but the other side says we do not have a copy of such a bible.
One side says "you" might be plural or singular, but the other side says a great many original language words have multiple meanings.
One side says God knows and has predestined everything imaginable, but the other side says our future is not predestined.
A house divided cannot stand. Matthew 12:25, Luke 11:17. Closed minds do not reach a consensus.
One side says we are not obedient to scripture, and the other side, yes we are, and you are the ones who do not understand it.
One side says Christ died as a ransom for all, the other side says Yes, Christ died for all those chosen before creation.
One side says the Bible is inerrant, but the other side says we do not have a copy of such a bible.
One side says "you" might be plural or singular, but the other side says a great many original language words have multiple meanings.
One side says God knows and has predestined everything imaginable, but the other side says our future is not predestined.
A house divided cannot stand. Matthew 12:25, Luke 11:17. Closed minds do not reach a consensus.