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easternstar

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I'd like to know members' heritage, for any who don't mind discussing it. I think it's a fascinating topic.

My grandparents were emigrants to the USA from the tiny country of Andorra, and their parents emigrated there from Eastern Europe. So, my ancestors were both Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic. But my parents became Baptists in their youth and remained so for the rest of their lives. So, I have quite diverse influences because of that.
 
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OLD SARGE

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Everyone in my family circle has Germanic names so I figured I was 99% German. I had my DNA done because I had people thinking I was of Hebrew ancestry. Sadly, no, but I am 66% UK. I did see a lad with my surname was on a WWII UK destroyer. I can imagine he woke up every day hearing, "Aye, get up lad! Let's go unalive some Hienies!"
 
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xlsdraw

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My American heritage goes back to the very early colonial days, including the Mayflower. You have to go all the way back to some of my 5th and 6th great grandparents to find anyone that was not born here. Almost all trace back to what we now call Great Britain. A couple from Germany.

I'm related to almost all of our Presidents and the British Royalty. As well as a multitude of other famous and infamous people with American and/or British Heritage.

For example, I'm related to King James which sanctioned what is called the King James Bible. Yet I'm also related to Charles Darwin.

American Heritage is foundationally British.
 
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Van

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I think it is useful to consider the cultural influence our parents, grandparents and even our great grandparents had upon our understanding of God and His world.

My mother was born in Colorado, my father in Kansas. My DNA says I am mostly western European, and my history points to Netherlands, Ireland, and England.

Significant, to my family, are these four historical events:

1) One paternal name line has a Revolutionary War veteran. (from England)
2) One paternal name line has a person mortally wounded at Tippecanoe. (from England)
3) One maternal name line has a person who worked for A. Lincoln, and served under Adm. Farragut (From Ireland)
4) One maternal name line has a farmer from Wisconsin. (from Netherlands)

My family members served on the Union side during the Civil War, with my Great-Grreat-Grandfather being listed on a monument on the lawn of the Colorado State Capital Building. He died serving his country.

As far as I can tell, all the contributors to my upbringing were committed Christians. Praise God.
 
OLD SARGE

OLD SARGE

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Van said:
I think it is useful to consider the cultural influence our parents, grandparents and even our great grandparents had upon our understanding of God and His world.

My mother was born in Colorado, my father in Kansas. My DNA says I am mostly western European, and my history points to Netherlands, Ireland, and England.

Significant, to my family, are these four historical events:

1) One paternal name line has a Revolutionary War veteran. (from England)
2) One paternal name line has a person mortally wounded at Tippecanoe. (from England)
3) One maternal name line has a person who worked for A. Lincoln, and served under Adm. Farragut (From Ireland)
4) One maternal name line has a farmer from Wisconsin. (from Netherlands)

My family members served on the Union side during the Civil War, with my Great-Grreat-Grandfather being listed on a monument on the lawn of the Colorado State Capital Building. He died serving his country.

As far as I can tell, all the contributors to my upbringing were committed Christians. Praise God.
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I had relatives on both side of the War Between The States, the actual name in the Congressional Record since it does not fit the definition of a Civil War. A civil war is two factions fighting for control of the same territory or be the central government. The South just wanted to leave as did the colonists from the King. Technically, the Revolutionary War was a civil war as both sides wanted to control the same territory and be the central government.

Among, the Southern side, one died as a flag bearer, one lost an arm and went to home to become a jailer. One rose through the ranks and was a 1st LT in the NC Sharpshooters. I do not know much about the Yam Dankee side. ;-)

I have not done a deep dive into my genealogy as I figure some branches of my tree died on a branch. ;-) Plus, there are so many variations of my name it is hard to tell if the person is related or not. My aunt married a man with the same surname as my Dad. They only lived about 20 miles away from each other, but my uncle denied that he was any relation to my Dad. My guess there was some bad blood a couple of generations back and neither side spoke of the other. A town here in Texas could have been named for a relative because if you use a heavy guttural accent it could sound like my name and they spelled it like they heard it instead of how it is spelled. My surname does not have a c in it. Yet, in a birth record in Germany from the 1600s Heinrich and Gertude was listed with my spelling, but their daughter has the c in it. Makes it a bit hard to be sure.
 
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Van

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OLD SARGE said:
I had relatives on both side of the War Between The States, the actual name in the Congressional Record since it does not fit the definition of a Civil War. A civil war is two factions fighting for control of the same territory or be the central government. The South just wanted to leave as did the colonists from the King. Technically, the Revolutionary War was a civil war as both sides wanted to control the same territory and be the central government.

Among, the Southern side, one died as a flag bearer, one lost an arm and went to home to become a jailer. One rose through the ranks and was a 1st LT in the NC Sharpshooters. I do not know much about the Yam Dankee side. ;-)

I have not done a deep dive into my genealogy as I figure some branches of my tree died on a branch. ;-) Plus, there are so many variations of my name it is hard to tell if the person is related or not. My aunt married a man with the same surname as my Dad. They only lived about 20 miles away from each other, but my uncle denied that he was any relation to my Dad. My guess there was some bad blood a couple of generations back and neither side spoke of the other. A town here in Texas could have been named for a relative because if you use a heavy guttural accent it could sound like my name and they spelled it like they heard it instead of how it is spelled. My surname does not have a c in it. Yet, in a birth record in Germany from the 1600s Heinrich and Gertude was listed with my spelling, but their daughter has the c in it. Makes it a bit hard to be sure.
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Yes, many on the Southern side refer to the war as "between the states."

In searching one of my family names, I too, found a spelling change, before the war with two names, they spelled it with an "e" but afterward, they spelled it without the "e."

I am sure you have heard the phrase "Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead." My Irish relative was on the second sailing ship in the line, the first sailing ship, not a monitor, to follow the Admiral into the mine field.

I found history comes alive when you find your family members engaged in the actions described.
 
OLD SARGE

OLD SARGE

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Van said:
Yes, many on the Southern side refer to the war as "between the states."

In searching one of my family names, I too, found a spelling change, before the war with two names, they spelled it with an "e" but afterward, they spelled it without the "e."

I am sure you have heard the phrase "Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead." My Irish relative was on the second sailing ship in the line, the first sailing ship, not a monitor, to follow the Admiral into the mine field.

I found history comes alive when you find your family members engaged in the actions described.
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Actually, the Congressional Record calls it the War Between The States.
 
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Van

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OLD SARGE said:
Actually, the Congressional Record calls it the War Between The States.
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Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. [A. Lincoln]

Many names have been used to identify the war fought in the 1860s. I think civil war is an objective name, but "Slaveholder's Rebellion" seems a tad biased.
 
OLD SARGE

OLD SARGE

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Van said:
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. [A. Lincoln]

Many names have been used to identify the war fought in the 1860s. I think civil war is an objective name, but "Slaveholder's Rebellion" seems a tad biased.
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Abe was wrong or wanted to portray it as such to get more support as the North was weary of the war. Abe was also a racist who said that Blacks would never be equal and the races could not live together. He did not like slavery, though he would have left it alone if the South would not leave, but he was a racist. If the winner of the war calls it the War Between the States in a government document then that is what it is.
 
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Van

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OLD SARGE said:
Abe was wrong or wanted to portray it as such to get more support as the North was weary of the war. Abe was also a racist who said that Blacks would never be equal and the races could not live together. He did not like slavery, though he would have left it alone if the South would not leave, but he was a racist. If the winner of the war calls it the War Between the States in a government document then that is what it is.
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Sir, I have no interest in continuing this discussion.
 
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Van

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The heritage of assimilation is an interesting topic. On one side we have folks who do not want other folks to assimilate, with equal rights, and on the other we have folks who do not want to assimilate.

Did Mr. Lincoln want to force freed slaves to go to Liberia, or is that just another liberal lie?
 
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easternstar said:
I'd like to know members' heritage, for any who don't mind discussing it. I think it's a fascinating topic.
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In a nutshell:

My roots are E KY Scottish. I was raised in a hyper-evangelical, hyper-Dispensational Southern Baptist church that taught that the saints are responsible to populate heaven above through the gospel and failure on our part will result in souls suffering infinity in torment; and the Jews are The Elect, God's Chosen People, and that everything they do is ordained by God and we must unconditionally support them in order to obtain God's blessing.

Thank God that I read the Bible on my own and am now free of those lies.
 
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Ben1445

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OLD SARGE said:
Abe was wrong or wanted to portray it as such to get more support as the North was weary of the war. Abe was also a racist who said that Blacks would never be equal and the races could not live together. He did not like slavery, though he would have left it alone if the South would not leave, but he was a racist. If the winner of the war calls it the War Between the States in a government document then that is what it is.
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So he freed the slaves because he was racist?

I think your logic is broken.

You should at least cite some sources other than the 1619 project.
 
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OLD SARGE

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Ben1445 said:
So he freed the slaves because he was racist?

I think your logic is broken.

You should at least cite some sources other than the 1619 project.
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Yes, he was against slavery, but he did not want race mixing so he would have campaigned to return the freed slaves to Liberia. Kind of like the folks who are for open borders until you put immigrants in their backyard or suggest they take in one.
 
OLD SARGE

OLD SARGE

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kyredneck said:
In a nutshell

My roots are E KY Scottish. I was raised in a hyper-evangelical, hyper-Dispensational Southern Baptist church that taught that the saints are responsible to populate heaven above through the gospel and failure on our part will result in souls suffering infinity in torment; and the Jews are The Elect, God's Chosen People, and that everything they do is ordained by God and we must unconditionally support them in order to obtain God's blessing.

Thank God that I read the Bible on my own and am now free of those lies.
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God is not done with the Jews, but they are not always right. Our job is to give the Gospel. It is the Holy Spirit's job to convert them. We get to participate in His work, but we cannot do His work. The watchman must warn or the blood is on him, but if he does his job the blood is on the individual.

Raised sorta kinda Methodist. Saved in a General Association of Regular Baptist Church. I guess we were not constipated like some Baptists. Trained in Independent Baptist schools. Was an Asst Pastor in a Baptist General Council of Texas SBC church. Assoc Pastor in an Independent Fundamental Baptist church. Pastored a church that was supposed to be Baptist Bible Fellowship, but not really. Served in an AOG for several years getting hands on training on the Charismatic movement. I am very anti-Prosperity Gospel and believe most of the Charismatics are either con artists or under the influence of demons. Currently serving in a Southern Baptist Texas Convention church. I am a Dispensationalist, but see it as a tool for understanding and yet believe that God can do anything He desires in any dispensation.
 
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OLD SARGE said:
God is not done with the Jews
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Only Dispies make the distinction.

OLD SARGE said:
The watchman must warn or the blood is on him, but if he does his job the blood is on the individual.
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2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
3 all things therefore whatsoever they bid you, these do and observe: but do not ye after their works; for they say, and do not.
4 Yea, they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men`s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger. Mt 23

There could be no heavier burden laid upon us than the eternal destiny of others. Not even those Jews under the yoke of the law carried such a burden, and it's contrary to what Christ taught:

28 `Come unto me, all ye labouring and burdened ones, and I will give you rest,
29 take up my yoke upon you, and learn from me, because I am meek and humble in heart, and ye shall find rest to your souls,
30 for my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.` Mt 11

What a sweet release it was when I realized NO ONE was going to spend infinity in torment on account of anything I said or failed to say, or did or failed to do. WAAAAY above my pay grade.
 
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Ben1445

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OLD SARGE said:
Yes, he was against slavery, but he did not want race mixing so he would have campaigned to return the freed slaves to Liberia. Kind of like the folks who are for open borders until you put immigrants in their backyard or suggest they take in one.
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Evidence for this claim,please?
 
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