New Book on the Doctrine of Scripture

Alan Dale Gross · Friday at 11:45 PM

Martin Marprelate said:
I appreciate you comments on other topics, and I wouldn't wish to fall out with you over this subject. Let's agree to disagree.

No, and I sure never wanted you to feel gangstalked, even though I knew you felt strongly about what I've kept on harping about.

Our church has used the KJV since 1782, so we're pretty used to it and believe it's Okay to bring Him in on it and not assume we're automatically heading elsewhere, if by default we find something else to try.

ARE YOU THE FIRST ONE ON THE BOARD ENCOURAGING US TO LEAN MORE TOWARD FOCUSING ON WHAT WE AGREE ON?

Wow

Peace and Love, Martin. Good Show!

David Lamb · Saturday at 12:54 AM

JesusFan said:
Mainly form of church govt and infant baptism and different Confession of Faith

Surely all Baptists, whether or not they are reformed, believe that baptism is for believers, not little babies.

John of Japan · Sunday at 5:47 PM

John of Japan said:
Hardcore legalism just because my simple request?? Wow. Do you often attack people like that?

That is not what you wrote. You did not write a prayer beginning with "Oh, my God." Go back and look at your own Post #92.

Tell you what, everyone, let's just call them the "10 Suggestions." So, "If you don't mind, I suggest that you don't take the Lord's name in vain, unless that is inconvenient."

There, now I'm not a wild legalist, right?

Salty · Sunday at 10:25 PM

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Alan Dale Gross · Tuesday at 4:30 AM

Some people get carried away with their rules they make in the name of religion, like these folks who include 'the Virgin Mary and all the saints', in the Second Commandment;

Alan Dale Gross said:
"CCC 2146 The second commandment forbids the abuse of God's name, i.e., every improper use of the names of God, Jesus Christ, but also of the Virgin Mary and all the saints."

Alan Dale Gross said:
Oh, my God, finally someone takes up for God's Holy Bible

Alan Dale Gross said:
The phrase I suggested expresses, "on the behalf of the honor of God," and implies a formal or theological action of representation.

Alan Dale Gross said:
As that definition is presented in 1. & 2., below;

Alan Dale Gross said:
I deplore you, In Heaven's Name, "for God's Sake", can't be considered sinful or blasphemous, considering Bible passages like Isaiah 43:25 and Matthew 10:22

Alan Dale Gross said:
where you can't even Pray, "Oh my God, help us."

Alan Dale Gross said:
Yeah, I put that invocation in there, because I didn't figure you'd allow yourself to hear that being said as a Prayer

John of Japan said:
Hardcore legalism just because my simple request?? Wow. Do you often attack people like that?

Like this...?

Alan Dale Gross said:
Looks like you're saying that someone who doesn't fully approve of the language used in the King James Bible should be called 'linguistically ignorant'. Wow.

David Lamb · Tuesday at 4:43 AM

Alan Dale Gross said:
Some people get carried away with their rules they make in the name of religion, like these folks who include 'the Virgin Mary and all the saints', in the Second Commandment;

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Like this...?

You seem rather confused with the commandments. The second of the Ten Commandments says:

““You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,” (Ex 20:4-5 NKJV)

That is the commandment which people say (rightly, in my view) includes making images of Mary or "saints."

It is the third commandment that talks about taking God's name in vain:

““You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.” (Ex 20:7 NKJV)

I have not heard anybody suggest that that one includes Mary and the saints.

John of Japan · Tuesday at 7:10 AM

Alan Dale Gross said:
Some people get carried away with their rules they make in the name of religion, like these folks who include 'the Virgin Mary and all the saints', in the Second Commandment;

"Rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee" (Prov. 9:8). Well, that settles that.

John of Japan · Tuesday at 7:52 AM

Personally, I do not wish there ever to be the slightest hint that I am taking the Lord's name in vain. He's the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, holy God of the universe. He deserves the absolute, utmost respect and honor, not casual and disrespectful comments.

Alan Dale Gross · 2026-01-22T14:59:03-0600

Alan Dale Gross said:
"CCC 2146 The second commandment forbids the abuse of God's name, i.e., every improper use of the names of God, Jesus Christ, but also of the Virgin Mary and all the saints."

Catechism of the Catholic Church

David Lamb said:
I have not heard anybody suggest that that one includes Mary and the saints.

That's from the Catholics there. They just make up things up as they go along, right off the top of their head. They don't know what they are doing, or what they are talking about, and could care less about any Commandments, or which one's which.

Thank you, good catch, with your insight into the 2nd Commandment and not making graven images which some, like John of Japan, do with the 3rd.

Jerome · 2026-01-22T15:32:06-0600

David Lamb said:
You seem rather confused with the commandments.

You?

RCC numbers the Commandments differently!

Catechism of the Catholic Church - THE FIRST COMMANDMENT

Catechism of the Catholic Church - THE SECOND COMMANDMENT

Catechism of the Catholic Church - THE THIRD COMMANDMENT

The Ten Commandments, for Dummies

Alan Dale Gross · 2026-01-22T15:56:15-0600

John of Japan said:
"Rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee" (Prov. 9:8). Well, that settles that.

Why aren't you disturbed and offended that billions of people want you to not take the Virgin Mary's name in vain in the same exact same way we are Commanded by God to not take His Name in vain?

If you really, really, really, take it to heart so much that you feel you need to condescend down to control and regulate what you decree to be a suggestion, or casual and disrespectful, in spite of the Bible speaking in the same way, then really still not demonstrating enough of a devotion to prove you are more consecrated than anyone else.

John of Japan said:
Personally, I do not wish there ever to be the slightest hint that I am taking the Lord's name in vain. He's the omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, holy God of the universe. He deserves the absolute, utmost respect and honor, not casual and disrespectful comments.

Job 1:5
"And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually."

How can you say you are giving the absolute, utmost respect, and honor to God, when you are not offering sacrifices to God, in case any of your family could have ever been guilty, in the same way as "Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts"?

John of Japan · 2026-01-22T16:35:55-0600

Alan Dale Gross said:
Why aren't you disturbed and offended that billions of people want you to not take the Virgin Mary's name in vain in the same exact same way we are Commanded by God to not take His Name in vain?

I have no idea why you are writing this. I've said nothing about the Catholics.

Alan Dale Gross said:
If you really, really, really, take it to heart so much that you feel you need to condescend down to control and regulate what you decree to be a suggestion, or casual and disrespectful, in spite of the Bible speaking in the same way, then really still not demonstrating enough of a devotion to prove you are more consecrated than anyone else.

"Condescend...." Nope, just one small rebuke which you have now gotten all hot and bothered about. Like the old guy said, "If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs and one yelps, you'll know which one you hit." Not trying to insult you, but you are really making a huge deal out of this.

Alan Dale Gross said:
Job 1:5
"And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually."

How can you say you are giving the absolute, utmost respect, and honor to God, when you are not offering sacrifices to God, in case any of your family could have ever been guilty, in the same way as "Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts"?

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Jesus is the only Sacrifice I want or need.

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