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Thoughts on Justification

Martin Marprelate

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I am currently on holiday, and have been doing a bit of study. I am interested to know what folk here think about Justification.
So firstly, how does justification differ from forgiveness?

Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.

How would one reconcile these three statements?
 

Paleouss

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I am currently on holiday, and have been doing a bit of study.
Greetings to you Martin. I'm on my way to an appointment so don't have much time.
So firstly, how does justification differ from forgiveness?
It seems to me that justification is a one-time legal, if you will, act that makes a person in "right standing" with God. IMO, it relates to the law. Forgiveness, if we are seeking differences (because they overlap a great deal), relates to the act of God, His love, Mercy, or His good pleasure.

Justification: relates to the Law and right standing
Forgiveness: relates to God and right standing relationship

Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.
All these are true, none contradict the other, and none are true without the other. We are brought back into right standing because of the Grace of God, by the blood of Christ, through faith.

IMO, anyone who claims one and omits the others is not expressing the full wonder of God's plan He has for us.

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2)
 

Silverhair

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Greetings to you Martin. I'm on my way to an appointment so don't have much time.

It seems to me that justification is a one-time legal, if you will, act that makes a person in "right standing" with God. IMO, it relates to the law. Forgiveness, if we are seeking differences (because they overlap a great deal), relates to the act of God, His love, Mercy, or His good pleasure.

Justification: relates to the Law and right standing
Forgiveness: relates to God and right standing relationship


All these are true, none contradict the other, and none are true without the other. We are brought back into right standing because of the Grace of God, by the blood of Christ, through faith.

IMO, anyone who claims one and omits the others is not expressing the full wonder of God's plan He has for us.

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure (Prov 2)

The only thing I would change is that forgiveness is the ongoing act of God to forgive us our sins when we confess them to Him.
 

DaveXR650

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Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.

How would one reconcile these three statements?
I would like to hear your views as you continue on in the latter part of Romans 5 and into chapter 6. It seems that Paul also develops the idea of our justification depending on our union with Christ. I have just been listening to the old Martyn Lloyd-Jones sermons on Romans 6 verses 1-11. He does several sermons on this and what struck me was the way he emphasizes that chapter 6 verses 1-11 are all about Christ's work, not our work in sanctification, and so he seems to be saying (in answer to the question in 6:1 about if it's possible to just continue in sin) that no, we are now united with Christ.

So I think we are justified by grace, and faith, and the blood of Christ, and this is a reality for us as individuals as we are united with Christ, as in Romans 6. I just happen to be listening recently, like today and yesterday, to Lloyd-Jones and it was encouraging to me at least.
 

kyredneck

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Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.

Thirdly, the Book of Romans has more to say about justification than the three things listed:

3 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8
 

Martin Marprelate

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Thanks to @Paleouss and @DaveXR650 for some helpful comments. For the benefit of @kyredneck I will deal with the texts he has brought up in due course.

Perhaps we can start with a definition, from the Baptist Catechism ("Keach's") of 1690.
Q. What is Justification?
A. Justification is an act of God's free grace unto sinners, in which He pardoneth all their sins, accepteth and accounteth their persons righteous in His sight; not for anything wrought in them, but only for the perfect obedience and full satisfaction of Christ, by God imputed to them, and received by grace alone.

So on that basis, Justiication does not refer to any subjective change brought about in a person's disposition, but is solely a change in his standing to relation to God's law. That to justify cannot possibly mean to make a person inherently righteous or good can be seen in various Scriptures, e.g. Luke 7:29. 'And when all the people heard [Jesus], even the taxcollectors justified God...' Obviously, no one can make God inherently righteous! Rather, they declared Him to be righteous.
Justification is a legal declaration; the sentence of a judge upon a person brought before him for judgment, the gracious act of God as Judge by which He pronounces a believing sinner to be freed from the penalty of the law and fully restored to divine favour. It is also His righteous act because on the one hand the sinner's guilt has been taken away by Christ (John 1:29), and on the other hand, our Lord's perfect obedience and righteousness are credited to him (Romans 5:18-19). 'For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that We might become the righteousness of God in Him.'

Therefore justification differs from mere forgiveness, though there are several similarities. It is only God who can forgive sins (Mark 2:7), and only He who justifies sinners (Romans 3:30). Free grace is the cause in both (Eph. 1:7; Rom. 3:24), and both are procured by the blood of Christ ((Matt. 26:28; Romans 5:9) and received by faith (Acts 26:18; Romans 5:1).
However, 'God is said to be "justified" (Romans 3:4) but it would be blasphemy to speak of Him being pardoned. A criminal may be pardoned, but only a righteous person can be justified. Forgiveness deals with a man's acts; justification with the man himself. The law does not pardon, for it knows no relaxation, but God pardons the transgressions of the law in His people by providing a satisfaction adequate to their transgressions. Pardon takes away the filthy garments, but justification provides a change of raiment. Pardon frees from death, but righteousness imputed is called "justification of life" (Romans 5:18). The one views the believer as completely sinful; the other as completely righteous. Pardon is the remission of punishment; justification is the declaration that no ground for the infliction of punishment exists. Forgiveness may be repeated multiple times (Matthew 18:21-22); justification is once for all (e.g. Romans 8:33).......... Just as "condemnation" is not the execution of punishment, but rather the formal declaration that the accused is guilty and worthy of punishment, so "justification is not merely the remission of punishment but the judicial announcement that punishment cannot be justly inflicted - the accused being fully conformed to all the positive requirements of the law, Christ's perfect obedience being legally reckoned to his account.' (A.W. Pink).

I think that will do for the moment. Internet reception is a bit shaky where I am at present; but I will hope to write some more in due course.
 

kyredneck

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For the benefit of @kyredneck I will deal with the texts he has brought up in due course.

Good! Maybe this time it'll be deeper and more substantial than your usual accusation of "parroting Roman Catholic doctrine".

And, you couldn't be more wrong here:

Justiication does not refer to any subjective change brought about in a person's disposition, but is solely a change in his standing to relation to God's law. That to justify cannot possibly mean to make a person inherently righteous or good can be seen in various Scriptures,

Not if you actually believe the T in TULIP.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2
Whatever James 2:24 means, it cannot contradict verses like Romans 4:4-5. 'Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace, but as debt. But to him who does not work, but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.' God doesn't justify righteous people; He justifies the ungodly. Or Gal. 3:11. 'But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for, "the just shall live by faith."'

So how shall we understand James 2:14-26, which is the text beloved of Roman Catholics to disprove the doctrine of Justification by faith alone? 'What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? (v.14). Note that James does not ask here, "What does it profit someone though he has faith and does not have works?" Such a possibility is not countenanced anywhere in the Bible. No, he asks, "what does it profit someone (not "one of you") who says he has faith and does not have works?"

I think the usual translation of James 2:18 is not the best. Ancient Greek did not have question marks, and I think the verse starts with a question. 'But someone will say, "Do you have faith?" I also have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.' The truth of someone's justification will be found in their changed lives. The heroes of faith in Hebrews 11 were all people who went out and did something.

Rome conflates justification with sanctification, but this is an error. Justification is a legal statement. Deut. 25:1. 'If there is a dispute between men, and they come to court, that the judges may judge them, and they justify the righteous and condemn the wicked....' Justification is the verdict of the judge that someone is righteous. The verdict doesn't make him righteous, and more than condemning someone makes him wicked. So how does God justify the ungodly? Because their faith is accounted for righteousness on the basis of Christ's active and passive obedience. Our Lord's perfect rightousness is imputed to the believer, and His sins are laid upon Christ who pays the penalty for them in full (2 Cor. 5:21).

But God does not leave believers where He finds them. Justification is always followed immediately by Sanctification; those two blessings are never found apart. But they are not to be conflated. God justifies ungodly sinners, credits them with the righteousness of Christ (2 Peter 1:1), and then the Holy Spirit commences the work of sanctification. Faith works by love (Gal. 5:6). The first fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22) - that is, of the new nature in the regenerated soul - is love. Love towards God, towards His commandments (Psalm 119:97), towards the brethren and towards his fellow man. 'You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.' His works do not save him, but they declare that he has been justified by faith.
 

kyredneck

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Whatever James 2:24 means, it cannot contradict verses like Romans 4:4-5.

It does not pose a contradiction any more than this does:

3 …the doers of the law shall be justified...Ro 2

20 ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified... Ro 3

the doctrine of Justification by faith alone

...is anti-scriptural, as it is stated plainly in scripture that our faith is NOT the only component of our justification, and James outright denies it:

24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2

I've presented this challenge to you before; produce one, just one, final judgement passage that even mentions our faith. It doesn't exist; the judgement is all about works. Works are the very definer of the just and the unjust:

15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn 5
 

JesusFan

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I am currently on holiday, and have been doing a bit of study. I am interested to know what folk here think about Justification.
So firstly, how does justification differ from forgiveness?

Secondly, in the Book of Romans, Paul tells us that we are justified by three things:
1. We are justified by grace. Rom. 3:24.
2. We are justified by faith. Rom. 5:1.
3. We are justified by the blood of Christ. Rom. 5:9.

How would one reconcile these three statements?
the very basis of our Justification would be the atonement of Jesus at Calvary, and the means to access that effectual grace would be thru saving grace
 

percho

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For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:10

Maybe those are the works James has in mind.

IMHO, "the faith," is of God and maybe also the works which follow.
 

37818

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Romans 3:23-26, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

Martin Marprelate

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24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2
Gal. 2:16. 'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Does it not concern you that these two verses appear to contradict themselves? How do you propose to reconcile them? When you sort that out, you will know why final judgment passages speak of works. I do explain it in post #9, but I suppose you never got around to reading it. :rolleyes:
 
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Martin Marprelate

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It would be really worrying to have to be justified by your own works.
Deut. 27:26. 'Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law.' All of them. See Gal. 3:10.
James 2:10. 'For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.'
 
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