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If once saved - can again be lost? The Poll

Do you believe the once saved can again be lost?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • No

    Votes: 18 66.7%

  • I just dont know

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Total voters
    27
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Psalty

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Then prove it out student use the scriptures .. isn’t that what debates are for…. But in the long run we are all dead anyway so there it is. My experiences have made me a sceptic, you can’t escape it so live a full and joyful life, free from worry. I personally don’t invest much in anything… not the world, not god not life. Death to me is a blessing provided I’m with her… in either heaven or hell, I don’t care. I have no allegiances to anything or anyone but my own stature as a man… further I believe the world is vastly absurd and very laughable to anyone contemplating it..and that’s why I like Spinoza. He has worked out his own theories based on study and molded it into an alternative belief system where nobody is punished and we all contribute to the eco system. Anyway, I’ve spoken my peace and I respect and own my own opinions.
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I will, but I’ll post my own thread on it at some point as I’d like to present a well written positive case presentation.

At the end of the day, you are at a skeptical place because of your severe loss, and I totally get that.

If I could ask, was your wife someone who turned to God, or was she turning away from Him? Or did it matter to her at all?
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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Psalty said:
I will, but I’ll post my own thread on it at some point as I’d like to present a well written positive case presentation.

At the end of the day, you are at a skeptical place because of your severe loss, and I totally get that.

If I could ask, was your wife someone who turned to God, or was she turning away from Him? Or did it matter to her at all?
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Why are you concerned about my wife’s walk… like does it matter?
 
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Psalty

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
Why are you concerned about my wife’s walk… like does it matter?
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I’m asking because I don’t know if it matters… it just seems like it matters quite a bit because you loved her and are now very skeptical. I thought maybe it would be helpful to know if she was faithful, but your are now skeptical.

Anyhow, no pressure to respond, I realize this is personal. Blessings on you brother.
 
JonC

JonC

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
So let me ask you, what are we put here on this earth to do.. what is our purpose? The Jews claim they are a chosen race, but chosen for what you may ask& there answer is to do over 600 miitzvas in order to make earth a heavenly Godly place to live but nowhere does it say that god charges non Jews to the same tasks. In Fact, we aren’t to be Judizer’s .. so what’s our task… to be righteous? That sounds odd. The Jews are given monumental tasks (works) to perform in order to bring heaven to earth but all non jews have to do… we just gotta be righteous!?!

I’m told in scriptures that I am also chosen from the foundations of the earth and I’m Mortal and aChild Of God so if I just believe in Christ thus I am a Christian therefore “Saved” but if I don’t I’m going to hell…I heard that constantly with the Catholics. You must go to mass/church, you must go to Holy Days of obligation, you have to step through the 7 Sacraments… oh and “sin” is partitioned Into Mortal & Venial sins ( with Mortal being the bad sins that put you in hell fires), oh my!

So again I ask, what is my task as the Goyem who walks the earth? What’s my covenant, my function, my task… and then how does god support it? If your going to tell me it’s to suffer in life and carry my cross I don’t buy it… why hurt your children? Are you a psychotic god?
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We were saved to do good works God prepared beforehand for us to do.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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JonC said:
We were saved to do good works God prepared beforehand for us to do.
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Doesn’t he have the Jews all that? Is there a specific number of good works for us Goyem… the Jews got a number! :Laugh:Laugh
Psalty said:
I’m asking because I don’t know if it matters… it just seems like it matters quite a bit because you loved her and are now very skeptical. I thought maybe it would be helpful to know if she was faithful, but your are now skeptical.

Anyhow, no pressure to respond, I realize this is personal. Blessings on you brother.
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She was faithful! I’m saying it would have been (life) to have her, the love of my wife, to partner with me and to share. Why if your going to take her why couldn’t you take me as well. We were much better together.

Maybe someone needed to take care of the chickens, the turtle, the fish and the dog.;)
 
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canadyjd

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Walter said:
No, we don't agree because John 6 and St. Paul makes it clear that it's not merely a memorial meal tacked on to the end of a service using a prepackaged wafer that tastes more like cardboard than it does bread and awful tasting grape juice.

This, as described by the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 1363), is a living, liturgical memory that makes the past event of the Cross present, rather than just remembering it.
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Don’t add to my words, sir. I didn’t say it was “merely” a memorial, as if to disregard the significance of the event. We do not partake in a flippant manner.

Baptists, generally, are very serious concerning the supper. We examine ourselves, and ask for forgiveness, directly from Jesus btw, no need for a priest, because should we partake in an unworthy manner, as Paul stated, many are ill and some have died.

I understand what the Catholics believe concerning the supper. The priest does an incantation (hocus pocus, right?) that transforms the bread and wine into literal flesh and blood (though unsurprisingly, it still looks and taste like bread and wine) but just trust the hierarchy, it’s really flesh and blood and if you don’t let a priest bless it and give it to you… well you just added a million years to purgatory.

I don’t need your Catechism to understand the supper. I follow God’s word, which I know you believe is a dangerous thing for a Christian to do, primarily because it reveals the many errors in Catholuc doctrine.

Peace to you
 
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