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Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour! 4

Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes it does, the reconciled are in a right relationship with God, one of peace. So to them belongs the Gospel of peace Rom 10:15

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

This was accomplished at the Cross Col 1 20

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Isa 52 7

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

You dont know the Gospel friend nor the accomplishments of Christs death
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BF the verses you quoted say nothing about the reason for ones salvation, you have to read that into the text. Then at the same time you deny clear scripture that tells us we are saved by His life.

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The more you post the more you prove that is your man-made religion you trust rather than the word of God.
 
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Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
The Gospel you believe is in a saviour that made salvation potential, but didnt actually save anyone
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Salvation is potential until the person chooses to trust in the risen Christ. All can be saved but not all are saved.

By the view you present of salvation at the cross then the whole world is saved.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

By your own words BF His death is what saves so you have just jumped into the universalist camp.

Keep posting BF as when you do it proves you do not know your bible.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Notice the focus is on what you did, nothing about what Christ did to save His People from their sins. The tax collector didnt use the word I one time, but the pharisee did, you seem to be more in the pattern of the pharisee with your I did this, I did that.
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The biblical focus is on what the person must do before they are saved by the Lord.

that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The biblical view is that man must trust in God before they are saved.

The calvinist view that God gives them faith after they are saved is false.

Keep posting BF as you just prove that your calvinist view is not biblical.
 
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Brightfame52

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Psalty said:
Every thing is potential before it happens. That doesnt mean it wont happen.

Youre stuck in the same mind loop as most calvinists: if God foreknows it, how can He not be the one who fiats it?
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So you believe in a potential saviour which is an idol of your imagination
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF the verses you quoted say nothing about the reason for ones salvation, you have to read that into the text. Then at the same time you deny clear scripture that tells us we are saved by His life.
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Reconciliation is salvation, its just one of the many facets of salvation. Many words are used to describe different phases or facets of salvation. Reconciled denotes being in a right favorable relationship with God. Its the word katallassō :

  1. to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
    1. to reconcile (those who are at variance)
    2. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
    3. to receive one into favour

The relationship was affected by sin in Adam, but Christ healed it and God is at peace with them Christ died for and took care of the sin issue, so much so, God isnt charging the reconciled world with any trespasses 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

No one Christ died for and reconciled to God will never be charged with sin. In the day of Judgment they will have no sins charged against them
 
Psalty

Psalty

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Brightfame52 said:
So you believe in a potential saviour which is an idol of your imagination
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In Calvinism, before God thought of creating you, were you chosen? Or was there just potential for you to be created and chosen?

If you answer that you were always chosen, and that God could not have done otherwise, you exalt Man and glorify him with Calvinism, the man-centric theology where you worship yourself and God’s chosing of you.

If you answer that you were only potentially chosen, congratulations, you are in the same situation as anyone else with regards to “potentiality”.

Your argument is ludicrous.
 
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Brightfame52

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Psalty said:
In Calvinism, before God thought of creating you, were you chosen? Or was there just potential for you to be created and chosen?

If you answer that you were always chosen, and that God could have done otherwise, you exalt Man and glorify him with Calvinism, the man-centric theology where you worship yourself and God’s chosing of you.

If you answer that you were only potentially chosen, congratulations, you are in the same situation as anyone else with regards to “potentiality”.

Your argument is ludicrous.
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You believing in a potential saviour is Ludacris, a saviour of your imagination
 
Psalty

Psalty

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Brightfame52 said:
You believing in a potential saviour is Ludacris, a saviour of your imagination
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No answer, because you know that to answer shows your absolute failure of both the scriptures and logic.

Classic BF. No answer. Full acceptance of the argument against you by your failure to address.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Reconciliation is salvation, its just one of the many facets of salvation. Many words are used to describe different phases or facets of salvation. Reconciled denotes being in a right favorable relationship with God. Its the word katallassō :

  1. to change, exchange, as coins for others of equivalent value
    1. to reconcile (those who are at variance)
    2. return to favour with, be reconciled to one
    3. to receive one into favour

The relationship was affected by sin in Adam, but Christ healed it and God is at peace with them Christ died for and took care of the sin issue, so much so, God isnt charging the reconciled world with any trespasses 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

No one Christ died for and reconciled to God will never be charged with sin. In the day of Judgment they will have no sins charged against them
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To quote you BF "No one Christ died for and reconciled to God will never be charged with sin. In the day of Judgment they will have no sins charged against them"

BF you have just made it clear that you are a universalist.

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Rom 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Christ died so that all could be saved but only those that will freely trust in the risen Christ will be saved.

That is something that you will not accept as it goes against your man-made religion.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Thats works and self righteousness like the pharisee.
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The biblical focus is on what the person must do before they are saved by the Lord.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."


Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The biblical view is that man must trust in God before they are saved. Why do you continue to deny the word of God BF?

How can you say you trust the word of God and at the same time deny clear scripture that shows your calvinist view is wrong.

According to calvinism God has determined that you will continue to deny His word. Why He would do that is a mystery to me but your philosophy says that is what He does so you must believe it.

By your calvinist view the faith you have would actually be what Calvin called Evanescent Faith, that while you think it is true it is only a case of self deception, or even worse, divine deception.

I cannot think of any other reason that you would continue to deny the clear word of God.
 
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