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Do You believe in God?
- Thread starter Van
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Of course I do! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God in 3 distinct persons.
The problem is that I can't understand that, and no one can explain it.
We don't have the info to determine it, other than by opinion.
For someone to say we must understand and believe the trinity to be saved is not Biblical.
For example, Heb. 1:3 says that Christ is "the express image of His person (God the Father)"
In other words Christ is the exact reproduction of God the Father.
How is that to be understood? We know Christ is God, but what is that relationship?
Yes, one Being, three distinct persons.
And this is where faith comes in. When Abram was called to follow God, I’m sure he didn’t know all that would happen, but he trusted him.
The Bible in rife with Trinitarian language. We have the info.
I don’t think knowing the Trinity exists is a requirement for salvation, but I do believe one must come to understand and believe in a Triune God. It’s called sanctification.
If God the Father calls Him God, then I think we should also.
Heb. 1:6-8
"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
I think you hit the nail on the head, we must trust the Lord in the things we can't understand.
The relationship in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is a very complex one, and if God wanted us to understand it, or if we are at this present state able to understand it, He would have provided that information.
Regardless of what anyone says, Christ is not sitting on His Throne at this present time.
He is sitting at the right hand of the Fathers Throne, until what?
Until Christ's enemies are made His footstool.
Then Christ will rule for 1000 years on His very own Throne.
37818
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Well God is infinite and omnipresent. And always was.
Not how, but why just 3?
As He is,He is not limited any number of.places, just as one Person.
Yes. As 3 Persons. Infinite and Invisible. As both as God, but also visible and fininte to be seen. All 3 being Spirit as one substance, as to a way being one and the same substance.
It's a relationship not found on this earth, there is nothing for it to be compared to for understanding.
We could discuss all day, but the reality is we have no idea how that relationship unfolds in Scripture.
We think we know from this and that which takes place, but we don't.
It's right there with where did God come from, something that will be cleared up in the future.
But what we need to know now in this dispensation of Grace, He has revealed to us.
37818
Well-Known Member
Well God is infinite and omnipresent. And always was.
Not how, but why just 3?
As He is,He is not limited any number of.places, just as one Person.
Yes. As 3 Persons. Infinite and Invisible. As both as God, but also visible and fininte to be seen. All 3 being Spirit as one substance, as to a way being one and the same substance.
Genesis 19:24, Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; . . . .
Looks like you have it figured out. I think I'll wait to find out and not let the unknown fog my way through the Scriptures.
We have to take what He gives and know when it's time to let the other go for now.
God doesn’t expect us to give a dissertation of the Trinity, or any other theological matter, in order to be saved. Just “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”[Acts 16:31]
I'm confused, why are we all of a sudden agreeing so much?
This is maybe the 3rd in a row, lol, am I doing something wrong, I'm worried.
Well, Calvinists are Trinitarian, and that’s not something strictly taught and believed in Reformed circles. Many free will believing churches are Trinitarian.
That's the 4th time, I'm sweating over here.
Beliefs are more than just soteriology. That’s where things get heated. But I’m sure there’s many things we agree with.
Pro-Life
Anti-LGBTQ+ (against the movement but pray for their salvation)
Pro-2A (although that’s not a religious subject)
Virgin Birth
Deity of Christ
Believe it or not, and this could be taken the wrong way by some, but I feel close to the Calvinist in the stand for what you have posted.
And you're exactly right, we part ways at salvation. That's a shame, the IFB came from the same 'ol stump grounded in the fundamentals.
It's kinda like Cathode was saying about the Protestants being separated Brothers.
I can't think of a better example of that than my IFB Church and that Calvinists.
I guess the reason why that when I get started on it I pick up the big hammer.
Ben1445
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I’m with you here. On another thread on a different angle or portion of soteriology I was reading and rereading what SG said and what I said. I know nobody agrees on everything but sometimes it seems like nobody agrees on anything! When you find someone who agrees with you on one little detail of something it becomes shocking.
I have said before and still say that Calvinists haven’t got everything wrong. Some of the things they have quite right. But not enough for me to say I am Calvinist.
But don’t worry too much. It’s a good thing when Christians find something that they can fellowship about without (aggressive?) discussion.