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King James vs the Geneva Bible

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Charlie24

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@SovereignGrace, here's one for you to ponder.

At the time of the Reformation the Reformers created the Geneva Bible that leaned sharply toward the theme of Calvinism in it's marginal notes. The theme of Sovereign Grace was already alive through Augustine before Calvin laid out the principles.

King James seen this as a direct political threat to his rule in that the king didn't have to be obeyed in all matters in this doctrine. So the king decided to do something about it by gathering together a team of translators to create an English speaking Word of God that did away with that Calvinist leaning seen in the Geneva Bible, 1560.

So the Authorized 1611 KJV was born out of a political threat seen by king James 1 from the origins of Sovereign Grace.

We see this as the hand of God on the king to give us His inspired Word with the corrections of the wrong theology, but back on the right track of grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

What sayest thou?
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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I have the Geneva and KJV versions in parallel which you can get on Kindle for a couple of bucks and I find them to be almost identical. I had never really looked at the Reformers notes but with a quick look I don't see that they are extreme Calvinist at all. I looked at John 3:16, 6:44, and Romans chapter 9. I didn't see anything on John 6:44. There are some guys on here who are more up on this area but I would double check my sources if I were you. Are you saying that the actual translation was manipulated to sound more Calvinistic?

If anything, I find the Reformers and the Puritan era Calvinists to be less deterministic than more recent theologians.
 
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Charlie24

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DaveXR650 said:
I have the Geneva and KJV versions in parallel which you can get on Kindle for a couple of bucks and I find them to be almost identical. I had never really looked at the Reformers notes but with a quick look I don't see that they are extreme Calvinist at all. I looked at John 3:16, 6:44, and Romans chapter 9. I didn't see anything on John 6:44. There are some guys on here who are more up on this area but I would double check my sources if I were you. Are you saying that the actual translation was manipulated to sound more Calvinistic?

If anything, I find the Reformers and the Puritan era Calvinists to be less deterministic than more recent theologians.
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I agree they are almost identical except for the margin notes that sharply favored Sovereign Grace.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Or I'll say for all the KJV dispensationalists, the Lord chose king James to do away with it.
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After king James commissioned the 1611 KJV it spread throughout the British Empire and by the beginning of the 18th century it spread the Gospel throughout the world. Then Britain stumbled and the USA was handed the torch with the very popular 1611 Authorized KJV.
 
37818

37818

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Geneva Bible Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)

KJV Mark 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . . .
 
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Charlie24

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37818 said:
Geneva Bible Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)

KJV Mark 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . . .
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LOL, I hope you're just making a point and not trying to return to that previous thread on the Lord's crucifixion date.

Please, let's not go there again.
 
SovereignGrace

SovereignGrace

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Charlie24 said:
@SovereignGrace, here's one for you to ponder.

At the time of the Reformation the Reformers created the Geneva Bible that leaned sharply toward the theme of Calvinism in it's marginal notes. The theme of Sovereign Grace was already alive through Augustine before Calvin laid out the principles.

King James seen this as a direct political threat to his rule in that the king didn't have to be obeyed in all matters in this doctrine. So the king decided to do something about it by gathering together a team of translators to create an English speaking Word of God that did away with that Calvinist leaning seen in the Geneva Bible, 1560.

So the Authorized 1611 KJV was born out of a political threat seen by king James 1 from the origins of Sovereign Grace.

We see this as the hand of God on the king to give us His inspired Word with the corrections of the wrong theology, but back on the right track of grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

What sayest thou?
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I’m not up to date on this and have really no idea how good…or bad…or identical…the GB is in comparison to the KJV.
 
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