UMC Denounces Bible

Not only women pastors but women Bishops as well!


In a statement released Wednesday, MC Council of Bishops President Tracy Malone said that although the conference decided to remove the "restrictive language" that previously barred LGBTQ-identifying individuals from leadership it does not force pastors or churches to act contrary to their beliefs. - Methodists caught the car; now what? – Baptist News Global

Apparently the whole show is run by a woman bishop by the name of Council of Bishops President Tracy Malone whose response is to, "get out of God's way." - ‘Get out of God’s way,’ bishop urges | UMNews.org

Jerome said:

Oh brother.

What are you talking about, those men?!

All the saints vote in a pastor!

Pehaps you've heard of John Gill? Spurgeon describes how in the early 1700s his church called Gill as pastor:

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Depends on the denomination -- some pastors are appointed by the "Higher Headquarters"

Jerome said:

Oh brother.

What are you talking about, those men?!

All the saints vote in a pastor!

Pehaps you've heard of John Gill? Spurgeon describes how in the early 1700s his church called Gill as pastor:

https://www.spurgeon.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Dr._Rippon_s_Prayer_and_Its_Answer.pdf

"...he was earnestly opposed. The deacons, with the exception of Mr. Thomas Crosby, schoolmaster, and son-in-law of Keach, were resolved that this young man, who was no other than John Gill, from Kettering, should not become the Pastor. He found, however, warm and numerous supporters, and when the question came to a vote, his admirers claimed the majority...the other party...raised the question of the women's voting, declaring, what was no doubt true, that apart from the female vote John Gill was in the minority."

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Oh brother!

What are you talking about?

In a baptist church the congregation votes in a pastor. What they do in other denominations I do not know.

But if they do not have a female candidate then they cannot vote for them can they.

So it still comes down to the men who had decided to allow females to candidate for that position.

Would they in the early 1700's have had the option to vote for a female pastor?

Silverhair said:

Oh brother!

What are you talking about?

In a baptist church the congregation votes in a pastor. What they do in other denominations I do not know.

But if they do not have a female candidate then they cannot vote for them can they.

So it still comes down to the men who had decided to allow females to candidate for that position.

Would they in the early 1700's have had the option to vote for a female pastor?

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Some churches don't allow the congregation to vote, they leave it up to a pastoral committee.

Foxmeister said:

Some churches don't allow the congregation to vote, they leave it up to a pastoral committee.

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So it still comes down to the reality that at some point that men had decided to allow women to be pastors.

Silverhair said:

So it still comes down to the reality that at some point that men had decided to allow women to be pastors.

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That I don't disagree on. I know women at my church who were at the SBC conference with their husbands. They admit to trying to influence how their husbands should vote. Quite a few of them said their husbands voted the way they wanted him to.

Look at how women and men around the country reacted to the news that the SBC voted in favor of not allowing women to be pastors. Some claimed the men in the SBC were trying to keep women under their thumbs. Many claimed the SBC was doing this to keep women out of the ministry. I would assume most of these women were not Southern Baptists.

I can imagine by the reactions that these women, they want to be the leader in their homes.

Foxmeister said:

That I don't disagree on. I know women at my church who were at the SBC conference with their husbands. They admit to trying to influence how their husbands should vote. Quite a few of them said their husbands voted the way they wanted him to.

Look at how women and men around the country reacted to the news that the SBC voted in favor of not allowing women to be pastors. Some claimed the men in the SBC were trying to keep women under their thumbs. Many claimed the SBC was doing this to keep women out of the ministry. I would assume most of these women were not Southern Baptists.

I can imagine by the reactions that these women, they want to be the leader in their homes.

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We are not talking about how women convinced their husbands to vote we are looking at when we first got women pastors. It was the men at that time that started allowing women to be pastors. And if I am not mistaken we do not have any women in leadership at SBC.

Even at SBC and any baptist church you can only vote for those that have been put forward.

Silverhair said:

We are not talking about how women convinced their husbands to vote we are looking at when we first got women pastors. It was the men at that time that started allowing women to be pastors. And if I am not mistaken we do not have any women in leadership at SBC.

Even at SBC and any baptist church you can only vote for those that have been put forward.

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I already said I agreed with you on that.

Oh brother.

There are over a dozen women on the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention!


And the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the SBC's International Mission Board is a woman!

Jerome said:

Oh brother.

There are over a dozen women on the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention!

Committee members - SBC.net

www.sbc.net

And the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the SBC's International Mission Board is a woman!

IMB trustees appoint new missionaries, elect first woman chair

Learn about the latest developments in global missions as new missionaries are appointed and a historic leadership election takes place.

www.imb.org

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True, but none of them are pastors.

Jerome said:

Oh brother.

There are over a dozen women on the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention!

Committee members - SBC.net

www.sbc.net

And the Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the SBC's International Mission Board is a woman!

IMB trustees appoint new missionaries, elect first woman chair

Learn about the latest developments in global missions as new missionaries are appointed and a historic leadership election takes place.

www.imb.org

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I stand corrected.

The Countess of Huntingdon’s Connexion (a Methodist group that's been around since the 1700s):

About Us | The Connexion

“The Connexion was founded by Lady Selina Shirley, Countess of Huntingdon, during a season of revival that saw a dramatic expansion of Gospel influence that transformed society on both sides of the Atlantic. The Countess welcomed all who would make the proclamation of the Gospel their priority and we are proud to remain in that tradition.”

“To her dying day the Countess retained a personal interest in every one of her Chapels and made the final decision on ministers’ appointments.”

Jerome said:

The Countess of Huntingdon’s Connexion (a Methodist group that's been around since the 1700s):

About Us | The Connexion

“The Connexion was founded by Lady Selina Shirley, Countess of Huntingdon, during a season of revival that saw a dramatic expansion of Gospel influence that transformed society on both sides of the Atlantic. The Countess welcomed all who would make the proclamation of the Gospel their priority and we are proud to remain in that tradition.”

“To her dying day the Countess retained a personal interest in every one of her Chapels and made the final decision on ministers’ appointments.”

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Were any of them women? Plus you have overlooked the way that English society looked on those in her position.

I am getting the clear impression that you think women being pastors is a good thing.

The Rev. Adam Hamilton, senior pastor of the United Methodist Church (UMC) of the Resurrection, won the Kansas Democratic Party nomination for the Senate. A Kansas pastor and Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate told his church that he believes people from all religions will inherit eternal life apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ.

Foxmeister said:

What denominations allowed homosexual to be pastors before allowing women to be pastors?

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Don't know, do you.

Silverhair said:

Don't know, do you.

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None that I'm aware of. First it's allowing women to be pastors, then homosexuals.

I believe there are seven basic church congregations.

1. Ephesus - Messianic
2. Smyrna - The persecuted church
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos is a tower, needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic
5. Sardis - Protestant - A Sardis is a gem.
6. Philadelphia - Brotherly Love
7. Laodicea - Rich, increased with goods, and have need of nothing?

As I have no authority to look into the book sealed with the seven seals I do not know the organization of it all, so this is just a guess. My guess on the Philadelphia Church is that it changed through the age...

Methodist - Brethren
Pentecostal - Holiness
Charismatic - Independent

I went from Baptist to Pentecostal Holiness and the first thing I miss is the steadfastness. It all begins to go downhill...

1. Questions that begin, "Does the Bible really mean?"
2. This is all too negative!
3. We do not want to be overly judgemental!

Jesus Christ warns...

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. - Matthew 24:12
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he. - Proverbs 29:18

It is nice, for me, to dwell among a people with a righteous and clean standard.

Foxmeister said:

None that I'm aware of. First it's allowing women to be pastors, then homosexuals.

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So are you saying that only women led churches have allowed queer men to be pastors.