Was Slavery So Bad?

On topic slavery as an institution - bad

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Post-it

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Please refute that

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

and that

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

and this

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

and this

1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

lets not forget this

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Oh yeah and of course this.

Homosexuality is a sin like any other - a choice
Repent and turn - if not oh well - its up to God.

Originally posted by Abiyah:
I am personally unaware of any posts blaming
the South completely for slavery, but I never
hear, except from the South, about the "good
old days," indicating slavery days. Fortunately,
this term has also not been used here in regard
to slavery, of which I am aware. However, there
certainly are plenty here who cannnot see how
wrong, how ugly slavery was/is!

But what has this subject to do with homosexuality?

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Mr. Post-It SEEMS to equate homosexuality with slavery, as if there could be a comparison. Like some liberal-minded folks, he SEEMS to be under the false impression that homosexuals have suffered FAR GREATER than did the slaves of Africa or Egypt. I had heard a couple of years ago the statement made by some homosexual group that gay people have suffered MORE than black people, in relation to oppression, bigotry, hatred, et al.

One point alot of us miss: you are BORN with the skin color you have, you didn't CHOOSE to be black, white, Native American, and so on. Homosexual people CHOOSE THE LIFESTYLE, they are NOT BORN WITH IT. The black people who were enslaved were FORCED to be slaves as were the slaves in Egypt. One does not clamor to become a slave, except in the case of Jesus Christ being our master. Homosexuality is not FORCED, it is a CHOSEN LIFESTYLE. Therefore, to any liberal whiners & pseudo-christians, there is NO comparison between slavery and homosexuality; one is FORCED, the other is CHOSEN, and slavery was forced upon countless African people. If you are a homosexual, you have CHOSEN IT. Skin color isn't a lifestyle, but homosexuality IS.

So, Abiyah, you were correct in making the stement about this thread. It was SUPPOSED to be about the topic of slavery, but, since some wishy-washy christians decided to defend homosexuality, it went into a top-spin.

ANY kind of sex outside of marriage, regardless of the excuse or reason(Biblical marriage of two people consists of a man and a woman, not 2 men, and not 2 women) is forbidden by God. If any Christian values God's Word, then they will flee the sin/lifestyle of homosexuality altogether.

As far as the label "homosexual christian" : If the person is TRULY saved, they are no longer a homosexual ! How sad it is when churches nowadays will proclaim that God changes His mind about sin. I guess when God stated in His Word that He will never change, He must have been lying to us .

I suppose it isn't blasphemy, either, to call Jesus a "drag Queen". So sad that WE would mock Jesus and believe that He has changed His Word for anyone.

The sight or thought of two men or women french-kissing or having sex , whether it is in public or behind closed doors, on TV or music, or print, and regardless if it is or isn't between consenting adults is despicable, REGARDLESS of how committed they are to one another & regardless of how many times they have or haven't done it.

IN addition to the fact that homosexuality belongs in Hell and came from Hell in the first place, and the fact that I DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AS A NORMAL LIFESTYLE, (which I NEVER have & no one EVER WILL be able to convince me otherwise), HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG, AND goes AGAINST God's Plan! It says so in the Bible! How can it NOT be true, if GOD says it is an abomination? Besides, Mr. Post-It, this thread is (was) about SLAVERY.

Homosexuals are WILLING participants in blasphemy against Jesus Christ, just like the rest of us when we sin, regardless of the sin, whether they whine about being Christian or not! The Bible says that men who leave the NATURAL physical attraction for women, to cleave unto and commit filthy acts with other men, are an abomination to God. Or, was that part conveiniently deleted from your Bible, OR, do you CHOOSE to ignore it?

[ September 09, 2002, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: tiggertoddy ]

Originally posted by Sularis:
On topic slavery as an institution - bad

Off-topic
Post-it

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Please refute that

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

and that

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

and this

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

and this

1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

lets not forget this

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Oh yeah and of course this.

Homosexuality is a sin like any other - a choice
Repent and turn - if not oh well - its up to God.

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I love it when someone like you takes the time to show what GOD says about sin. I am guessing that the Lord is pleased with you, Sularis. I stand next to you in this!!

Our dark skinned brothers and sisters in Christ have been humiliated and maligned enough already! Being enslaved was just the beginning.

God made all of us in His image and showed our infinite worth by being willing to die for our sins.

To compare their honorable birth with behavior which is an abomination to God, is just another insult to them. Where do we get off comparing the two????

If homosexuality is to be discussed, this is not the forum to do that.

Shalom

Alli

However, slavery was in Scripture and was...

We're all aware that slavery was in scripture, and some seem to think that the Bible condones slavery. But I found this obscure little book called Exodus about a little-known group of slaves called Israelites whom God helped free from the bondage of slavery. I wonder what ever happenned top them.

So does that mean that God condones slavery except for the Israelites? of course not. God freed the Israelites because he heard the cry of bondage over hunreds of years. I personally believe He freed the slaves of America because of their faithfulness to Him, so he heard their cry of bondage over hundreds of years as well. The difference between us Egypt was that we acknowleged our mistake.

Even on the [worst] plantation I would venture to say that life was better for
them here than as a slave in Africa.

It doesn't matter how great life in slavery was, it was still a life of slavery. A man without freedoms is not a man. The slaves of the US were not considered citizens, had no human rights, and were viewed as property in matters of law. I treat my dog with the best care in the world. But for me to treat a human as though he were my dog, even a well cared for dog, is a completely sinful act.

This post was hi-jacked by Post-it who somehow equated homosexuality with the question of slavery. The promotion of homosexuality can not be ignored no matter where it is forced upon us.

Slavery is wrong and an evil which God tolerated like divorce and polygamy because of the hardness of the human heart.
We don't know His mind concerning this and why He tolerated it. It is not revealed.

Homosexuality is/was/ and shall always be an abomination before God which he has never tolerated. Not before the Law, during it or after.
I honestly believe that post-it knows this and delights in being inflamatory.
I may be wrong and its an opinion.
However, it is not I that have done the damage.

Post-it, I wonder how many young and impressionable lurkers you have encouraged to sin by publicly supporting this evil and have consequently had their lives ruined.
Have you ever thought of that?
I am asking you as a gentleman to please keep this opinion to yourself for the sake of the young and naive.

HankD

[ September 09, 2002, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: HankD ]

Tell 'im Hank!!! AMEN!

Shalom

Alli

And finally, it you still refuse to beleive what is written in scripture, consider this. Paul equates homosexual acts with gossip, arrogance, envy, or disobeying your parents. Yet, parents of the homosexual, will stop the relationship when this one sin is found out. While they go back to gossiping about some other member's child who is gay.

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Even though I don't agree with post-it hardly ever, I do agree with him here. A lot of people today are against homosexuality more than any other sin. What!!! I thought sin was sin. Telling one lie can send someone to hell just as much as commiting a homosexual act can.

I am personally disgusted with homosexuality. There is nothing wrong with being outspoken against homosexuality, but you had better be just as outspoken against all other sins too. People seem to think as sin having different degrees in God's eyes. Give me scripture supporting this kind of reasoning. There are different degrees of consequences for each sin but that doesn't mean that one sin is worse than the other in God's eyes.

As far as the label "homosexual christian" : If the person is TRULY saved, they are no longer a homosexual

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Not true. There are people who are saved who still struggle with gossip, lying, and cheating. Does that mean they are not TRULY saved?

As far as homosexuality relating to slavery:
Slavery is never rebuked in the Bible. It was a custom. However, the Bible never says it is right either. But unlike slavery, God addresses the issue of homosexuality. Slavery is not right and never was. It is just not a custom of our day any more.

When did God ever rain down fire and brimstone upon the earth for gossip?

HankD

Paul equates homosexual acts with gossip, arrogance, envy, or disobeying your parents.

I'm confused Post-it, is homosexuality a sin or not? If not then is gossip, arrogance, envy, or disobeying your parents a sin?

Let me be perfectly frank here concerning homosexuality. I dont know how far this post is going to go but I will try to say this with as much dignity as possible. (shut-up, I know what alot of you are thinking)

God put certain parts on the human body to be used for certain things. With me so far? Some orifices on the human body are designed for things to come out and not made for inserting things into, unless medically perscribed by a doctor. A certain sexual practice engaged in by homosexuals is unnatural (see Rom chapter 1), unhealthy, filthy and dangerous.

I know the liberals want to make the AIDS epidemic a heterosexual problem but anyone with their head out of the sand knows that this is mainly a sodomite disease spread initially by unnatural sex acts. Its time alot of us quit being so afraid of "political incorrectness" and call it what it is.

What is all this baloney about equating sins such as lying with sodomy. The Bible says that we are all liars but it doesnt say that we are all homosexuals.

Preach it, Bro Ps104_33 !!!

I think when we call homosexuality sin, people accuse us of hating homosexuals. That way they can call us hateful names, while ignoring the problem. Comparing slavery with homosexuality is crazy.

How in the world did this thread get turned to homosexuality?

Post-it... I've never complained about you before, but could you please restrain from turning every thread you participate in to a discussion of homosexuality? I know you have very strong feeling about the issue, but I think this constant drumbeating is hurting your case.

I'm not mad or accusing you of anything except some overzealousness.

While I strongly disagree with your position on the subject, I do appreciate the fact that you are trying to get Christians to think about the subject more deeply than they might otherwise... but it is really getting old.

I wonder if the webmaster would consider a forum for the discussion of Christian faith and sexuality? That way we could keep the discussions of homosexuality/sexuality in a central location instead of spreading across the board like a social disease.

I ended all my discussions on the homosexual issues yesterday by going ahead and starting a thread on it in another forum. I didn't mean to turn this subject into that issue. I just used the issue to show a similarity between the way a country can see an issue with blinders on. Not realizing the depth of wrong they are doing to a minority.

It struck me as ironic that the list of wrongs done to the slaves almost equal the exact wrongs done to the homosexuals today. While there was an almost 100% agreement that this list was the wrong way to treat people, but no one seems to see it the same today.

I made my point and will not discuss the matter further.

What is all this baloney about equating sins such as lying with sodomy. The Bible says that we are all liars but it doesnt say that we are all homosexuals.

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Have you murdered anyone or committed adultery?

Sin is sin. If you are going to be outspoken against one sin, be outspoken against all of the others just as well.

Some sin has greater consequence, like fire and brimstone coming down out of heaven.

HankD

Originally posted by post-it:
I ended all my discussions on the homosexual issues yesterday by going ahead and starting a thread on it in another forum. I made my point and will not discuss the matter further.

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Thanks for giving in to my request!

I'll probably join you to discuss the issue in the proper forum. I'm interested to investigate what has led you to your position.

Thanks!