Total Depravity, Not Quite Total

You seem to be saying what I have been saying; however, I believe even my submission is willed by Him. I believe this as a result of my being at enmity with God (Rom. 8.7) which verse tells me also this carnal mind renders me not subject to the law of God, therefore, I believe until God acts upon my person (spirit, soul, will, desire, and mind) I am not able, though still accountable, to choose to serve God.

This is not personal to me, but is the condition of all who are born into the world (except Christ) we have eyes but we see not, ears but we hear not. But because we are His sheep, we hear His voice, because we are His sheep we follow Him, on the contrary, because some (others or many makes no difference), who do not hear His voice, nor follow Him shows it cannot be by the action, to any degree of man; until that will is regenerated, until that spirit is quickened he/she/or I were all dead in trespasses and sins.

This is why Paul said: "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Rom. 7.24

God Bless.

Bro. Dallas

 

(Dan 4:17 NIV) "'The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'

[ October 18, 2002, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]

 

Sovereign LORD is the translation of Adonai YHWH. Other versions translate it Lord God. Studying the word in Scripture indicate that Sovereign LORD is a very good translation of it.

 

My question was asked to determine if you are denying the orthodox doctrine of God by asserting that "Sovereign Lord" and "God" are not the same person. It was an easy question and all you needed to do was answer, Yes, I believe they are the same person. Why would you answer otherwise?? Of course, I was leading you to a conclusion you didn't want to reach, namely that if Sovereign LORD and God were the same person, it would be a testimony to the fact that Scripture does call God sovereign, which was something Shilo apparently didn't believe. The only reason that I could think for you not answering this question straightforwardly was if you were trying to deny that conclusion.

As for being banned, I knew you didn't believe that they were different. I was pointing out that it was a matter of orthodoxy and that we do not allow unorthodox people to post in this forum. They must use the all other discussions, or other religions forum. You weren't in danger of being banned unless you answered with an answer that not even the most far left of evangelicalism would give.

 

Ah, but the verse in Daniel says that God is sovereign, but you won't admit it.

I wonder why?

 

Thanks for admitting that the Bible does say that "God is sovereign."

 

Sorry Ken..My Bible does not say that God Is Sovereign. Not one place in my Bible is the word sovereign..I even checked my Concordance just to be sure..and yep..Nothing..

However..I do believe the Lord God Is Sovereign..just not the way you do.

Chappie..you are a trip! LOL

 

Maybe the version you are using doesn't use the word "sovereign" but the NIV does, which should be good enough for most people except for the extremists among KJV-onlyites.

 

Who is not a Calvinist and what is he supposed to be asking me??

 

You sure you want me to give my opinion????

 

I said it was poor, because "sovereign" is an adjective (describing someone), while "Lord"/Adonai in that case is a title. Adonai has a much broader meaning than just "sovereign", especially when it was used on men (they are not "sovereign" in the sense God is). I just thought this caused a bit of confusion.

 

Brethren,
I have been away this weekend to a mission conference;

I want to address the thought as to whether the label toward God is shown in the Bible or not concerning His sovereignty, and being stated Sovereign.

Someone pointed out their concordance does not use the word sovereign; this appears to be enough proof the adjective does not exist in the Holy Bible.

I have studied the Biblical use of wine; and have found the word "wine" is not in my concordance; yet it is found in scripture.

Perhaps those words that are most controversial (even when alluded to) are those that have been left out in these concordances. Why? I don't know, either it is assumed folks would know God is Sovereign, by fact that He is creator, or it is assumed that folks would prefer not to consider the concept, since great is the controversy over whether God ever created in the Biblical sense.

Webster tells us:

sovereign: of or relating to a sovereign; having undisputed right to make decisions and act accordingly; unlimited absolute power.

sovereignty: the state or quality of being sovereign.

Whether the word is found in Concordances of scripture, or in scripture itself, the idea is certainly found throughout; to deny the complete Sovereignty of God is to exalt man, even if your intentions are not so, this is the result.

What is the word to Elijah in 1 Kings 19.18?

He did not say 7,000 in Israel have kept themselves from bowing unto Baal; but that "I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."

God Bless you all in your walk and service to Him.
Bro. Dallas