How do you feel about capital punishment?

Let's assume for a moment that Scriptures allow capital punishment. Does that mean that capital punishment is appropriate for us to use? Is it not preferable to choose an alternateive method, such as life without the possibility of seeing daylight?

 

God has given that power to the authorities, they must make that decision. Still, capital punishment fits the crime (for murder) and certainly deters it.

 

We should instruct our son to do what is right and,,,,,,,,,,,,if he doesn't listen, he should be stoned......scriptural.

And the prostitutes should be stoned......

And any number of persons should be stoned.....

Thank you very much, I shall move beyond barbarism, and show mercy in the hope that one may be led in a path that is right.

It is amazing that many will condemn a woman for having an abortion under any circumstances, but will gladly stretch a neck despite the fact that they may be the victim of an injustice at human hands.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Hi Jim. You used a good word. Barbarism.

Strictly my view:

Capital punishment is not sinful when used in extreme cases. It is not a sin for a Christian to hold that view in matters of legal remedy.

On the flip side, wanting to eliminate capital punishment is also not sinful.

The deciding factor for me is that it is barbaric for the society we live in. Therefore, while I'm not against the death penalty, I'm in favor of replacing it with life imprisonment.

 

Isn't this thread in the wrong place?

 

Maybe you should go back and read again, the quote I was responding to says " Though capital punishment may irrevocably punish an innocent party it must be said that that is a risk worth taking." You do not find a problem with this?

Beyond all reasonable doubt, and yet some innocents are being executed, thast murder for the sake of murder, and calling it legal.

Lets see if we follow O.T. leagal punishments, then most of us have to stone our children.

 

According to Bob Dylan, yes.

So then you see no moral difference between a convicted murderer and an innocent little baby?

Mike

There is a Fountain that was not made by the hands of man - Robert Hunter

 

So you would kill the innocent and spare the guilty. How barbaric indeed.

 

Before I answer these posts, let me clarify my
position, please. I am angry at no one, and if I
have proven anything in life, it is that I certainly
do not know everything; furthermore, many of
the things I have thought I had known I learned
later were erroneous. I am here to learn as well
as to state opinions as do others.

I am not a teacher or a preacher; merely a
student of the Bible and a seeker for Truth.
My husband and I discuss theological ideas,
debating and walking away friends. So far, so
good here as well, but I just mainly want anyone
who bothers to read my posts to know that I have
no malice toward any on this board who disagree
with me.

That said . . .

Our Lord God does give that authority to
governments as they follow His Law. Our
government is not following His Law.
Where, in Romans 13, or anywhere else, does
our God give blanket authority to any govern-
ment to take a life when it is not in war?

And war is totally different from capital
punishment; there is no comparison.

 

I believe that our Lord and the Father are One.
I believe that our Lord is the Word who was with
the Father from the beginning. As the Word, I
believe that He was the One who gave the Law
and that it is relevant then and it is relevant
today. I believe that the reason Moshe's face
shone was because he got the Law from the
Son and he saw His glory. (No one has seen our
God the Father and lived, but Moshe saw God
upon the mountain and lived.)

Therefore, our Lord taught capital punishment
and He gave the rigid rules by which it should be
carried out. Since most here only accept what is
reiterated in the Apostolic Scriptures, where in
them does our Lord say that capital punishment
must continue? The woman caught in adultry?
Both she and the male(s), although our Lord
knew exactly who they were, were let go
because the pattern of Law was not followed
specifically.

Does Paul teach capital punishment? As I said,
I certainly do not know everything, but I do not
recall him writing of it.

 

It is obvious that posts are not read correctly. Is my English unclear?

I never supported abortion. I said many condemn a woman under any circumstances, even when one is medically essential. Many a D&C is done on fine Christian women....this is essentially an abortion...it happens often after conception...............Yet, the same people are prepared to kill an innocent.....INNOCENT......person for a crime accused.

The old concept of crime deterrence resolved by capital punishment is long gone. When picking pockets was a hanging offence in Upper Canada and done in public view, men and boys picked pockets in the crowd viewing the hanging.

Texas has the highest rate of executions of all the states and one of the highest rates of capital offences. China exceeds Texas in both executions and capital crimes.

All I really ask is that a post be read carefully and accurately.

Cheers,

Jim

 

What punnishment would you give to those who are responsible for sept 11
If you need somebody to carry the death sentence
you will not need to look far
John

 

Since this was not addressed to anyone in
particular, I will answer.

For those terrorists who died in the crashes:
I would put their bodies together in a single
crematorium and cremate them all. I would
then thorough mix their ashes, then divide them
into five parts. One fifth would go to each of
the following:
1. my pastor
2. a rabbi
3. a fundamentalist baptist pastor
4. a Jesus-Only preacher
5. and a R. Catholic priest.
Each would know exactly who these combined
ashes in their hands were, and each would be
asked to give them an appropriate burial. Now,
let your imagination go.

For those who remain alive, I Hate War--every-
thing about it--but there are times when it is
necessary for the preservation of a country.
War is not capital punishment.

As far as those involved who are in the States
and other Western countries, I would prosecute
them to the fullest extent of the law, then put
them in prison for the number of lifetimes equal
to the number of people who died, and I do not
mean solitary confinement.

However, if our country really followed the Laws
of our God, I would want capital punishment.

And this numb-skulled scum-of-the-earth, on
the East Coast who is shooting up innocent
people, would get the same.

[ October 23, 2002, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]

 

The conversation on this thread is preposterous! Every civilized Western nation including the United States continues to enact capital punishment - it's called legalized abortion.

 

Mark 12: [17] And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

It is power vested into governments just as war & taxation.

Capital punishment was also one of the first laws handed down to Moses after the flood in Genesis in the passage previously quoted, pre-10 commandments stating thou shalt not "murder."

For those against capital punishment, how many murders does one have to commit to be eligible to be put to death?

1 - 5?

6 - 10?

11 - 25?

26 or more?

How many child abductions, rapes, and murders must be committed to qualify one for capital punishment?

1-5?

Or more?

The states which have capital punishment laws on the books also administer capital punishment in a very humane way, by lethal injection - the criminal is put to sleep and then administered the poisonous mix of drugs that will shut down his/her cardiopulmonary systems and vital organs.

They no longer face a firing squad. They are no longer hung from a gallows. The are no longer gassed or electricuted. And they don't suffer the torture, emotional trauma, physical and sexual suffering many inflict on their unfortunate victims.

Perhaps if anyone on these boards had been a true victim of criminality, like having a child abducted, mutilated, raped and then hacked to pieces, some of your views would change.

Or if you were the relative of some of these sniper killings in the beltway.

Or if your mother had been tied up, raped, had chunks of flesh bitten off and then stabbed multiple times, you would feel differently.

Or if your son had been the victim of a Charles Gacy or daughter a victim of Ted Bundy.

Until you walk a mile in the victim's or relatives of a victim's shoes, you have no right to say capital punishment is wrong.

Tell that to the victims of hideous crimes. There IS, unfortunately, EVIL in the world.

Our judicial system goes overboard in protecting the rights of criminals. They tie up our courts with appeals for years.

Give me a break!

 

Okay, go ahead & paste it up here.

Here's an interesting article I found, though.

http://www.murdervictims.com/Forgiveness.htm

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/

 

As a side note Sheeagle, my pastor was pastor to one of those girls, Jessica James, he was the one who baptized her, his wife lead her to the Lord, and she and several others from his previous church preformed some interpetive dance at our church just months before the shooting, I met her, it was a major blow to our church. Her parents now speak at churches, although I haven't had the oppertunity to hear them, as I understand from my pastor, it's about forgiveness. My pastor did Jessicas funeral.