Why the Emphasis on Tongues?

MEE, there's a problem with your logic:

Peter wasn't talking about the Gentiles; in fact, he didn't understand that God would also graft in that branch until later in the book of Acts (Cornelius, substantiated in Acts 15).

When Peter said "afar off," he prefaced it with "your children," so "afar off" was actually referring to grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

Now, how about my other questions from page 4?

 

Don, is the post below the one that you are requesting an answer to? If so, I answered that question on, I think page 4 at 1:18 PM.

MEE

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Don, try this link!

http://altupc.com/articles/tongues1.htm

Below is just a portion of what you may be seeking.

The gift of tongues is different from the tongues as the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism. Compare the following:

1. These tongues differ in purpose. The gift of tongues along with the gift of interpretation of tongues has been give unto some in the church to convey a message from God to the congregation as the need requires. I Cor. 12:7, 27, 28. But the tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost, is the believers personal experience with God, and is not designed to convey a message to the church.
2. Also these tongues differ in operation. The gift of tongues in the church is limited to two or three messages and that by course: and one must interpret I Cor. 14:27. But the tongues as evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism is an unlimited manifestation and requires no interpretation.

 

Don , you posted this statement a few pages back, and I was going to ignore it, but I have reconsidered, because there may be others here seeking the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

you said:

TAMBOURINE LADY,

I once received a check that I thought was from my mother. Turns out I was mistaken, and I needed to return the money.

Understand?
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Yes, I understand. I understand that you are not very well versed on how we get things from God!!

Please read the following scripture and think about it!!

Luke 11-11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?


HOW MUCH MORE SHALL YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THEM THAT ASK HIM/

If you are asking God for the baptism, then you will NOT receive a counterfit, or something from the devil!!

Working for Him,

Tam

 

Tam, couldn't have come up with a better scripture. Way to go!

MEE

 

Peter wasn't talking about the Gentiles; in fact, he didn't understand that God would also graft in that branch until later in the book of Acts (Cornelius, substantiated in Acts 15).

When Peter said "afar off," he prefaced it with "your children," so "afar off" was actually referring to grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
</font>[/QUOTE]Don't think so Don!...because Peter may not have known at that time, but he quoted scripture from Joel 2, in Acts 2:17; therefore God knew what was in His plan. The scriptures don't contradict each other if rightly divided.

17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God; I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh:

MEE

 

You know what, MEE? On that last one, you're correct. My apologies.

And no, that wasn't the reference I was talking about. I was referring to page 4, third post from the bottom (my last post on the page).

 

Wow 66 post already on this thread. The last one had about 375 post.
Why is the interest so great on this subject?
If this thread is closed because of too many post someone will probably start another.

 

Don, I did answer that question. You even said, "Thanks" at the bottom.

MEE

 

The "Thanks" was a preface to you answering the final question:

Thanks (in advance, for answering)!

 

Thanks (in advance, for answering)! </font>[/QUOTE]Below is the answer to your question, that is on page four. As you can see, I said, "...they were saved."

MEE

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MEE:
As far as the 120 (apostles included) that were in that upper room are concerned, they went from being under the Law to the Grace dispensation and they were saved. They just happened to be in a time when the NT Church was born and the Law was no longer in effect.

Repentance alone, preached by John the baptist, was no longer in effect, after the Spirit of God was poured out, on the Day of Pentecost. As Peter said in Acts 2:38-39) ...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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Carol, don't have much time but look at Joel 2:
26] And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
[27] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
[28] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
[29] And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
[30] And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
[31] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

This is about Isreal and to try to make Peter say something to the Gentiles while quoting this is just poor logic. For one thing this hasn't happened yet. We know that because, well, read the verses I included. Dark sun now?, NO; Bloody moon now, NO; Blood, fire, pillars of smoke?, Not from what I see. At best Peter was making a point with his audience and not saying that the time of Joel was upon them, because clearly it was not. If Peter meant Gentiles when he said "all" he would have said Gentiles.

Another point, You have been shown time and time again that Tongues has a different stopping point then Knowledge and Prophecy. Paul used a verb for the notion of cease that literally means "will fade out". Nothing happens to Tongues they just fade out. That is clear from looking at the Greek text. The verb for Prophecy and Knowledge stopping means that they will cease when something happens to them to make them cease. That being the coming of the "perfect", which is not what you say but is a different topic. Either way Tongues end on their own and Prophecy and Knowledge as gifts do not. You always ignore this point and pretend I haven't made it. Not just you Carol, and I don't want to single you out as most tongue speakers ignore this point, I think because it takes them by surprize.

Finally, above you say that I insist that God withdrew His Spirit. I don't believe that for a second. It was His Holy Spirit that worked through a couple people and drew me to a relationship with Jesus. His Holy Spirit is as active as ever. I believe that all but four of the gifts are still in operation and God gives gifts to the people of individual assemblies to complete the assemblies, like a human body is complete He equips local assemblies to be complete. I have received the Holy Spirit and am a changed person. You have made a whole theology out of a couple early church events, which even at that don't fully fit your beliefs, as evidenced by the question Don is waiting for you to answer.

In Christian Love,
Brian

 

Just wondering if anyone can answer the questions that I asked?

 

Just wondering if anyone can answer the questions that I asked?

 

Ooops! what happend? I refreshed my browser because all I had was a white screen. Then Viola....double post?

Music4Him

 

Don't worry about it! I happens to the best of us.

MEE

 

Thanks Mee I thought I broke the board or something and I didn't want to sound like a broken record. LOL

 

Oh music4Him, you sound like a happy person!

I looked at your profile and found that you like like playing music. If you want, since you are in the (I think) the central time zone, click on to this link, on Sunday. www.christtemplechurch.net

It is our church's web site. If you can pick it up, it is live, from 9:00 AM, 11:00 AM, and 6:00 PM EST. We've had to go to three services on Sunday to accomodate the people.

To the left, click where it says enhanced or static..depending on you plugin. There you will hear some of the best must a church has to offer. We are in big demand everywhere. Not bragging, but our choir, accompanied with the annointing of the Holy Ghost, is just plain wonderful!

Try it, you'll like it.

MEE

 

Direct answer, please. Were they saved in Acts 2, or before?