Hispanics largest U.S. minority

Ah, at least you now admit it has nothing to do with illegal immigration but in fact normal, legal, non-WASP immigration. It's been 4 pages, but at least you've come clean.

I think we need to change the text on the Statue of Liberty to:

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, but only if you're a light skinned anglo.

Instead of remaining in their native lands and emulating the United States, they are descending upon our shores and trying to reshape the United States into the image of the lands they forsook.

Like the English did before them, like the Germans did, like the Dutch did, like the Polish did, like the Greek did. But if you're Hispanic, you can't, even though Puerto Rico is allowed to retain its culture, even though New England is allowed to retain its culture, even though Hawaii is allowed to retain its culture, even though California is allowed to retains its culture.

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Ah, at least you now admit it has nothing to do with illegal immigration but in fact normal, legal, non-WASP immigration. It's been 4 pages, but at least you've come clean.

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Actually, it's the liberals I want outa here!

California has a culture? I thought you said it was a blend of many different cultures.

Truthfully, I don't know if this is true, but to me, it sounds like you want the Hispanic culturte to be the prevalent culture in the United States. Is this so?

Honestly, you can read what I wrote earlier, I don't mind people keeping their culture alive, but why should they come in this country, in the 21st Century, and try to change the rest of us?

It sounds to me like you're against the Anglo culture. Is this true? If it is, it is going to be very hard to argue with you, as you aren't thinking rationally.

As far as saying, "we brought our culture when we settled, and we forced the Indians to change," that is not a logical argument. A similar situation would be to blame me for slavery, simply because my ancestors, 150-200 yrs. ago, owned slaves. Can you see how ridiculous it is?

It's too late to change the country into a giant Indian tribe. Why is it alright for Hispanics of today to do the same thing, even though we know it was wrong then?

Would it be okay for Jews to put all Germans in Concentration camps? Abviously not. So why, simply because it happened in the past, should we allow this sort of thing to continue.

If I go to Mexico, I'm not going to try to change them. The whole purpose of coming to a new country is to experience something different. If people want to live in Mexico, let them live in Mexico.

Let put it in a more local perspective. Do you see me moving to California and trying to change it into Texas? Am I going to make all of the Californians speak southern, with a slang? Are they all going to have to wear cowboy boots, so as not to offend me? It sounds ridiculous, but it is the same thing.

Why can't we all retain some of our ancestral culture, but then come together as a nation, under God, where we are all equal and, supposedly, of one voice?

God Bless. Bro James

California has a culture? I thought you said it was a blend of many different cultures.
California has a multitude of separate cultures (Latino, European, and Asian) that mix well here.

Truthfully, I don't know if this is true, but to me, it sounds like you want the Hispanic culturte to be the prevalent culture in the United States. Is this so?
No, not at all. But the Hispanic culture has always been the most prevalent culture in California. Now, I'm as white as the driven snow culturally, but I'm not afraid of other ethnic influences.

Honestly, you can read what I wrote earlier, I don't mind people keeping their culture alive, but why should they come in this country, in the 21st Century, and try to change the rest of us?
I don't think it's a matter of changing. It's a matter of being allowed to express their culture freely.

It sounds to me like you're against the Anglo culture. Is this true? If it is, it is going to be very hard to argue with you, as you aren't thinking rationally.
I'm not in favor of or against any culture. But what is "anglo" culture? The Dutch, German, Irish, Italian, Spanish, and English immigrants were all anglo, and their cultures are dramatically different. And all of those cultures are prevalent today in different parts of the country.

As far as saying, "we brought our culture when we settled, and we forced the Indians to change," that is not a logical argument. A similar situation would be to blame me for slavery, simply because my ancestors, 150-200 yrs. ago, owned slaves. Can you see how ridiculous it is?
I agree. It's ridiculous. No one's laying blame.


It's too late to change the country into a giant Indian tribe. Why is it alright for Hispanics of today to do the same thing, even though we know it was wrong then?
It's not. But it IS okay for the Hispanics to freely practice their different cultures (there are many Hispanic cultures, mind you). If some of those cultures spill into the main stream as others have, so be it.

Would it be okay for Jews to put all Germans in Concentration camps? Abviously not. So why, simply because it happened in the past, should we allow this sort of thing to continue.

If I go to Mexico, I'm not going to try to change them. The whole purpose of coming to a new country is to experience something different. If people want to live in Mexico, let them live in Mexico.

Let put it in a more local perspective. Do you see me moving to California and trying to change it into Texas? Am I going to make all of the Californians speak southern, with a slang? Are they all going to have to wear cowboy boots, so as not to offend me? It sounds ridiculous, but it is the same thing. Why can't we all retain some of our ancestral culture, but then come together as a nation, under God, where we are all equal and, supposedly, of one voice?
That's fine, I agree with you. The Hispanic culture has been a part of the American culture since the Western States joined the Union. Why should we try to "whiten" them? It would be as wrong as we tried to "whiten" Hawaiians, Alaskans, Puerto Ricans, Cajuns, or for that matter, American Blacks.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna head over to El Torito for a chimichanga.

Bro James Read, should Americans have to keep the culture of the American indians?

Even though America is a very different nation, the American Indians are the heritage of the country, Yet just like with the aboriginies in Australia, there culture seems to be disregarded.

California has a culture? I thought you said it was a blend of many different cultures.

Johnv:
California has a multitude of separate cultures (Latino, European, and Asian) that mix well here.

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Fact (from earlier article)
• White Americans are fleeing California at the rate of 100,000 a year.

Hmmm.....wonder why?

Johnv, for someone who claims to be "conservative," you seem to take a "liberal" position on nearly every topic. Or are you just a "fiscal" conservative? Hmmm.....

Ben, the indians are not being disregarded. Each tribe has many different reservations in different states. The United States gave them this land. They have authority over it. The make their own laws. The exception is, just as with state laws, they can not conflict with laws of their state or the United States.

Also, if you want to get technical, the American Indians were not the first inhabitants of North America. They "stole" the land from earlier nomad tribes. So, should we go back to cave writing? Should we speak the language of Ugh?

I have enough Cherokee blood to be considered a minority in this country. But, I am an American. I speak English. Just as every American citizen should.

I am not trying to force my culture on anyone. Obviously, if they came to America, they were coming because they liked our culture. It should not be a question of forcing it on them. If they want to retain all of the aspects of their former culture, they should stay in their former country.

Johnv, would it make you happy if we ceded California back to Mexico? It sure looks like your argument is "it was theirs, so they should keep it."

I think Louisiana is a good example of what I am talking about. Many people in central and south LA are Cajun---slang for Acadian(from Canada). Many of them speak "French." They have kept many of their cultural aspects; music, food, language. BUT, they all know English.

I have family that are prime examples of Cajuns. They live in trailors, they drive trucks...18-wheelers, they own horses. They have kept their culture alive, but they also adapted to American culture. Why can't Hispanics do this as well? Some do, but not all.

It looks like people today are wanting to change the culture of this country. You say that it was wrong for Anglos to do this 350 yrs. ago, so why is it okay for Hispanics to do this today?

In response to the poll regarding whether the southwest "rightfully belongs" to Mexico, I would suggest taking a look at the history of the Mexican-American war. I think that if you polled Alabamians regarding whether the coast on our southern edge "rightfully belongs to Alabama" rather than to Florida who ended up with it, you'd get some similar or higher figures. My point is that the terminology of the poll is loaded.

Originally posted by SheEagle9/11:
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Johnv:
California has a multitude of separate cultures (Latino, European, and Asian) that mix well here.

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Fact (from earlier article)
• White Americans are fleeing California at the rate of 100,000 a year.

Hmmm.....wonder why?
</font>[/QUOTE]I would love to see how that statistic is calculated.

Parts of Eastern California are so homogenously white, it would make segregationist Mississippi blush.

Where I'm at right now, there are quite a bit Hispanics, but they aren't a majority. The primary people here are Asians followed by Whites then probably Blacks. And sorry, I'm not "fleeing" (what a prejudicial verb to describe migration) Tapioca Pearl Drinks at the Satay House or the $3.95 Chinese Vegetarian Lunch Special at Long Life Vegi.

Originally posted by Bro. James Reed:

It looks like people today are wanting to change the culture of this country. You say that it was wrong for Anglos to do this 350 yrs. ago, so why is it okay for Hispanics to do this today?

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Pleae show me where Hispanics are forcing their culture on you.

Moving into the neighborhood does not count as forcing their culture on you.

Of course, you could always "flee" to a more white neighborhood...

Hey now, I'm not the one that said anything about fleeing. I choose to live here. If I was really uncomfortable I would move. But, to say that I should flee to a more white neighborhood is a completely ignorant judgement of my character.

That said, perhaps you should take what I said in context. Perhaps you should read every post I have written on this thread before you make snap judgements.

Hispanics are not the only group I was referring to. They just happened to be the topic of the discussion. I think anyone who comes into this country and refuses to change any should not come here in the first place.

Read my earlier post about what I like and don't like about immigrants. I'm not against legal immigration. Nor am I against the majority of immigrants. I am against people coming to America and wanting us to change to fit their culture, while they won't even bother to learn the language of ours.

Now that my rant is over, I put the ball in your court.

White Americans are fleeing California at the rate of 100,000 a year.

Hmmm.....wonder why?

I can't remember who did a recent poll on the subject (I think it was either Time or Nielson), but the biggest reason that people (white) were leaving California was the price of real estate. Considering that the average price of a home in my area is $325,000, it's quite understandable. I also recall that many people who were leaving the state were persons nearing retirement, and that many of them were settling in retirement communities in Arizona and Nevada. If I can find the data with exact numbers online, I'll post a link.

Johnv, for someone who claims to be "conservative," you seem to take a "liberal" position on nearly every topic. Or are you just a "fiscal" conservative?

Your posts tell me you're a conservative extremist. Just because I'm not as conservative as you, doesn't mean I'm not conservative. I'm sorry I don't have the gift of wielding the "L" word is such a McCarthyist fashion as you.

I speak English. Just as every American citizen should.
What about Puerto Ricans? The US doesn't have an official language. We've always allowed the majority language to be populus driven. You forget, at one time German and English were equally prevalent in the US. Although, I, too, speak English, and learned it better than those who were born here. If you spoke to me in person, you'd have no idea that English is my second language.


Obviously, if they came to America, they were coming because they liked our culture.
People come to this country mostly for its protected freedoms. That's why I came.

Johnv, would it make you happy if we ceded California back to Mexico? It sure looks like your argument is "it was theirs, so they should keep it."
I never said or would suggest such a thing. The citizes of California were happy to join the union. The citizens of California were always heavily influenced by South American culture. With the coming of asian migrant workers, they also became heavily influenced with Chinese workers who worked the railroad. Those railroads brought white folks from the east (hmmm, were they "fleeing" the east, or were they simply migrating?) My arguement is that these cultures should be allowed to exist as the populus sees fit, just as cultures in the east have been allowed to exist.

On the other hand, I think that we should give New York back to the Dutch . Just kidding!!

I think Louisiana is a good example of what I am talking about. Many people in central and south LA are Cajun---slang for Acadian(from Canada). Many of them speak "French." They have kept many of their cultural aspects; music, food, language. BUT, they all know English.

Agreed. That's a very good example. Typically, the persons with the hardest problem with English are first generation folks. The second generation folks typically know english as well as spanish. I've been to Louisiana, and the Cajuns speak French and Engoish freely. I don't see it as different here. People here speak Spanish and English freely. Why should that be discouraged. I speak Dutch when I get around dutch folks. How come no one is picking on me? Probably because of my skin color, not my culture.

They [Cajuns] have kept their culture alive, but they also adapted to American culture. Why can't Hispanics do this as well? Some do, but not all.
There's no one American culture. Cajun culture IS American culture. Hispanic culture IS American culture. It has been since 1776. SO is German culture, Italian culture, Irish culture, African American culture, etc etc. Look at the mid to late 1880's. The culture in the eastern US and southern US were nothing like the culture in the old west.

It looks like people today are wanting to change the culture of this country.
The culture of this country has continually evolved. Its has never been stagnant. It will continue to evolve in perpetuity.

You say that it was wrong for Anglos to do this 350 yrs. ago, so why is it okay for Hispanics to do this today?
It was wrong to "force" culture on other peoples, such as the native americans, etc. But it is not wrong to allow a culture to simply exist and thrive on its own.

Hispanics are not the only group I was referring to. They just happened to be the topic of the discussion.
If I may add, it was not culture that was the original topic. The original topic was the change in race, not culture.

I'm not against legal immigration. I know you're not, and I recognize that.
Nor am I against the majority of immigrants.
Considering that nearly all of us came from immigrant roots, that's a good thing.
I am against people coming to America and wanting us to change to fit their culture, while they won't even bother to learn the language of ours.
I understand that as well, but understand what I said earlier about what culture and language in the US really are.

On a side note, I'm all in favor of the US adopting an officcial language. Be it English, Spanish, Cajun, or Swahili, I don't care. Adopt one, and I'll learn it.

Originally posted by Candide:

Parts of Eastern California are so homogenously white, it would make segregationist Mississippi blush.

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Eastern California is the most underpopulated part of the state. You can't seriously offer this a proof of the states racial make-up?

So what was this topic about again? It seems to have gone around the bend.

Someone said something about "Anglos" which I would like to correct. This term is often misunderstood, and subsequently misused. Often times derogatorily. Much the way the term "protestant' is oftentimes attached to religions that are not Catholic. ( Baptists are neither Catholic or Protestant)

Anglo-Saxon, noun:
Taken from the peoples known as the Angles, Saxons or Jutes. Later called the Anglo-Saxons, who were dominant in England until the Norman Conquest of 1066. A person of English ancestry.

Anglo Saxon adj.:
Of, relating to, or characteristic of Anglo-Saxons, their descendants, or their language or culture; English.

I think someone else mentioned that people are allowed to keep their cultures when they come to the United States. I think that that is true of anyone arriving to the U.S. within the last 100 years. But before that imigrants were encouraged to Americanize themselves. Ask some of the people who came through Ellis Island if they were allowed to even keep their name if it was hard to pronounce for the person indoctrinating them.

When will "American" be enough of a destinction for an American? If an American goes to another country and describes their heritage to anyone from that country, are the considered something other than American? No.

With so much interracial and intercultural children being brought into the world, the lines are blurred at best. I think this segregation and counting by catagory in the United States is just somebody's way to try to devide and conquer a country.

Oh, Charlotte, you go, Girl!

...and welcome to the Board!

WOW!

I guess I should have put this on my pet-peeves list.

Thanks for the welcome She Eagle 9/11.

Any other race can demean the Caucasian race in any fashion whatever and it is acceptable. Any lie can be told about our founding fathers, anything at all. But if one of us has the temerity to speak out against, oh let's say, the wonderful fiction called "Roots", ...why we are just a bunch of racists.

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What does this mean? That all the wrongs early Americans did to blacks was made up or something? That everything was perfect back then, and only now, it's the liberals who have brought wrongdoing into the country, as we constantly hear insinuated? Or was Demeaning other races back then OK, but now that people feel the tables have been turned, only now is it wrong (actually nobody but the Black Muslims and some other extremist groups are really demeaning Caucasians)