Hispanics largest U.S. minority

[Kiffin]

Parts of Eastern California are so homogenously white, it would make segregationist Mississippi blush.

Have you ever been to Mississippi? I live next door to the great state of Ms and believe me I see no segregation.

 

[Kiffin]

By the way, I may be wrong on this but are not Hispanics technicaly Caucasians? That separating them from the Caucasian race is more of a contemporary view?

I have no concerns over the number of Hispanics legally here. God Bless them! but Illegal aliens do pose a threat to national security and they should be deported regardless of their race since they are violating the Law. I think English should be the National Language since it is the predominant language of the USA and really you are limiting yourself if you don't know it. I think on the other hand that Spanish should be a required language in school since with the large Hispanic population it may also be necessary. Just a few thoughts.

 

[Johnv]

Yes, I don't think that anyone diagrees that illegal immigration needs to be dealt with.

On the subject of Hispanic, generally speaking, persons of hispanic origin are a mix of spanish (white) and indian (asian). By anthropological terms, there are three races: Caucasoid (generally white), Negroid (generall black), and Mongoloid (generally asian). What we tend to refer to as "race" is more one of ethnicity, or cultural variances. For example, Italians are of a different ethnicity than the English, yet they're both caucasian. Still, Italians were discriminated against for a long period of time for not being considered "white" by the Americans of northern Europe.

In regards to ethnic hispanics, some are whiter than snow, others as dark as night. My best friend is married to a cuban who has lighter skin than I do. Likewise, a black (actually, she's creole) church friend of mine just married a Puerto Rican man, who is darker than her.

One of the major points of distress is that there never has been an American ethnicity, because just about everyone came here from somewhere else, and most likely within the last three generations.

An informative movie to see on the subject is, of all films, Back to the Future part III, where Marty McFly goes back to 1885, to meet up with his ancestors fresh off the boat from Ireland. Although completely fictional, it's amusing to watch the interaction of people in a different time, often addressing things that you and I take for granted.

I think English should be the National Language since it is the predominant language of the USA and really you are limiting yourself if you don't know it. I think on the other hand that Spanish should be a required language in school since with the large Hispanic population it may also be necessary.

I have differing thought on this. Yes, I think an official language should be adopted by the US. But I also think that, if we're to do so, we need to fund or subsidize ELS language programs for adults (I know, different topic). Now, here my my region, many people, native and non-native, know at least some Spanish. But in other regions, the predominant secondary language may be something like Italian, Polish, Russian, Irish, French, etc. For example, my brother in Seattle has no need for Spanish, but French is as prevalent there as Spanish is here (so are illegal aliens from Canada, btw). I think it would be of importance for each county school district to require the learning of whatever the secondary language is in their region. So everyone would know two languages: English, and the regional language.

There would be some exceptions, such as Puerto Rico. There, the primary language is Spanish, so the secondary language should be English.

Okay, there's my $.02 on languages. Whaddya think???

[ February 07, 2003, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

[Candide]

Originally posted by Kiffin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Parts of Eastern California are so homogenously white, it would make segregationist Mississippi blush.

Have you ever been to Mississippi? I live next door to the great state of Ms and believe me I see no segregation. </font>[/QUOTE]I said segregationist Mississippi for a reason. I didn't mean present day.

Mississippi has always had a large black population, but it was usually found in separate communities.

 

[LadyEagle]

One of the major points of distress is that there never has been an American ethnicity, because just about everyone came here from somewhere else, and most likely within the last three generations.

Wow, are you ever a victim of revisionist history! Hate to tell you this, but that statement about most likely within the last three generations is just flat out wrong!

My forefathers came over in the 1700s. They fought in the Revolutionary War. They bled and died for the freedoms which Americans and the influx of immigrants (thanks to Ted Kennedy) and all the illegal aliens enjoy today. Maybe in California they all came in the last three generations. But there's a whole lot more to America than California, hate to tell ya.

 

[Johnv]

I'll revise that from "in the last three generations" to "the last 125 years" to be a bit more clear.

BTW - I was a "Ted Kennedy" immigrant. My family had to wait 8 years to enter the country.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Johnv:
I'll revise that from "in the last three generations" to "the last 125 years" to be a bit more clear.

BTW - I was a "Ted Kennedy" immigrant. My family had to wait 8 years to enter the country.

Ted Kennedy is largely responsible for the floodgates of unprecedented immigration to the US.

Since Ted Kennedy’s Immigration Reform Act of 1965, however, and most particularly since the mid-1980s, the immigration problems facing America have to do with the influx of immigrants from the Third World. The issue is so involved the complexity suits the agenda of the political and economic establishment to a T.

The Ties That Bind

Most immigrants of the 1800s and early 1900s had a common background in Western tradition. Whether they came from Ireland, Germany, Poland, Sweden, Italy, Russia, Czechoslovakia or England, immigrants shared certain basic principles and attitudes. America’s "e pluribus unum" (one from many) developed because the majority of immigrants did have the same basic philosophical, moral and cultural common denominators.

They did not, however, share an economic safety net. There was no welfare system except what was offered by charitable institutions or churches.

Economic progress depended on how smart, how flexible and how quickly the immigrant could adapt to "American ways."

Most of all it depended on how willing they were to work and how best they might make use of their opportunities. The best of them also had to be willing to take big risks.

From the numbers of immigrants involved in westward expansion, to those who saw the value in black gold, or the benefits of farming and ranching their own land, they seemed to recognize all these activities were just as important as accumulating the hard yellow stuff.

Immigrants also understood the necessity for a common language, learning a common history, and building communities of like-minded citizens. They may not have all been on the same page politically; however, they were secure in the knowledge that what they shared was more important than what divided them.

Until recently, there were tests given to new immigrants who wanted to become citizens, which included studying the language and learning American history and the U.S. Constitution. These have been dumbed down.

Nonetheless, the most important factor in the fragile nature of American unity was the common belief pattern inherent in the shared traditions of Christianity and Judaism. That is not the case with many of those immigrating to America today. That reality is impacting our national identity, sovereignty, as well as social and economic cohesion.

Unless these things are recognized and debated we will suffer the same fate as the Roman Empire: an empire that seemingly collapsed over night in one final onslaught of tribes from the hinterlands. In the blink of an eye, mighty Rome was brought to its knees.

In our era, as in the 1800s, America is experiencing the collision of needs of self-absorbed elites and the masses of the world trying to claim a piece of America’s promise of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Non-elite natives, poor and middle class alike, as always, are caught in between.

Crunching the Numbers and the Culture

The 33.1 million immigrants residing in the United States in 2002 are by far the most ever recorded. Even during the great wave of immigration at the turn of the century, the immigrant population was less than half what it is today. The foreign-born population’s growth rate in every decade since 1970 has been higher than at any other time in history, far surpassing the 31 percent increase between 1900 and 1910.

In Texas, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, Washington, Virginia, and Oregon, immigration accounts for half or more of population growth. Immigrants and their minor children now account for almost one in four persons living in poverty. The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5 percent, compared to 16.3 percent for native households.

The low educational attainment and resulting low wages of many immigrants are the primary reasons so many live in poverty, use welfare and lack health insurance, not their legal status or an unwillingness to work.

In 2002, there were 9.7 million school-age children from immigrant families in the United States. (Facts from U.S. Census and Center for Immigration Studies.)

Furthermore, as Joel Mowbray reported in the National Review recently, the federal oligarchy was caught red-handed trying to combine the social security system of Mexico with that of the U.S. The deal would have cost the U.S. billions of dollars. These dollars would come from the taxpayer in an economy that is in the throes of a post-bubble free fall, a crash forged by the excesses and blindness of our financial and federal elite in the first place.

**To make matters worse, laws in the various states are being changed to accommodate the cultures of the Third World. In Minnesota, for instance, the legislature passed a law that allows first cousins to marry. The reason for that particular change is to adapt to the customs of the Laotian Hmongs. Marrying first cousins is common practice among the Hmong peoples who began migrating from Laos to the Minneapolis area 15 years ago. Their population has grown to about 70,000. Minneapolis/St. Paul is now home to the largest population of urban Hmongs in the world.

Just recently, Hmongs received their own school in the St. Paul area. The new elementary school is totally geared toward Hmong culture, taught in Hmong language, with Hmong history. Out the window is a primary emphasis on American history and culture taught in English.

On the basis of anonymity one Minnesota teacher related her experience with Hmong children, parents and the goofy system that encourages "diversity" at the expense of unity and integration. She states that from her experience there is no desire among the majority to assimilate. Rather they move heaven and earth to continue in "their" ways while benefiting from the American system.

The establishment does not want to be hit with the immigration lobby's lawsuits, so it complies. Minnesota health care was sued not long ago, and that lobby won major concessions for new immigrants, which will cost Minnesota millions.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune reported recently that Minnesota now offers special programs and grants so that Hmong children can return to Laos to study their "roots."

The federal government also relocated thousands of Somalians to the region, as civil war drove them from Africa. In Minneapolis, and other cities in the heartland, Somalian youths are being recruited into gangs of disaffected urban youth bent on self-destruction and drug abuse. Many of the others are finding themselves the targets of bigotry by inner-city blacks. (See Part II: Meltdown in the Heartland.)

Another culture cruncher: Because a majority of Somalians are Muslims, their ability to create new business is limited. A recent article in a Minneapolis magazine tells us that as Somalians practice Islam they may not pay interest on loans. Thus, they will either have to obtain business loans through grants or fees from some government entity, or borrow it from other Somalians.

In God’s name, how can any of this be helpful in creating social or economic cohesion in Minnesota or in America? Has America merely become a giant suck hole for the needs of government to acquire taxes or establishing new voting blocs to promote the projects of the elite?

If that is the case, as a sovereign nation-state guided by the rule of law - we are over with.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/2/4/164415.shtml

 

[Johnv]

Ted Kennedy is largely responsible for the floodgates of unprecedented immigration to the US.

Your original concern was with illegal immigration, not immigragtion in general.

 

[Charlotte Marcel]

Originally posted by Kiffin:
By the way, I may be wrong on this but are not Hispanics technicaly Caucasians? That separating them from the Caucasian race is more of a contemporary view?

In theory you could say that all races of people are either white, black or asian. But I defy you to tell a latino that they are caucasian and not have them take offense to that statment. Likewise the destinction is made on forms that ask for a box to be filled out by the person, with which they most closely identify themselves. What I am saying that to devide ourselves voluntarily in subcatagories of the human race is what will conquer us as a race of people...THE HUMAN RACE.

 

[Johnv]

As I stated earlier, Hispanics are not caucasians, they're a mix of caucasian and asian. (Spanish & indian).

You're confusing biological race with what the cencus forms call race, which has to do with ethnicity (or sub-race, that is, racial differences within races). For example, they have Native Americans and Eskimoes listed separately from Pacific Islanders.

 

[Kiffin]

I'm always fascinated by the focus on race by Colleges, Universities ans PC folk. I think it has caused more racial tension. Personaly I don't think race should be on any application and people should be accepted soley on their merits not White or Black etc...

Thanks for the info Johnv and Charolotte. I have heard of some Hispanics putting themselves down as Caucasian on census forms is the reason I asked the question. I'm not sure there is a such thing as a pure White or Black race. I am primarily of Welsh and English descent yet my great grandmother was full blooded American Indian (or Native American for our PC folk

) so I am not pure Caucasian myself since I am also of American Indian decent also (Hey I want reparations from the government!

). Would not it be great if we lived in a society where race was irrelevant?

 

[Bro. James Reed]

Congratulations Kiffin, you can technically be called a minority. Hey, me too. The two of us should file a class action suit against the U.S. government. I want all of my family's land back. Let's see, I'll settle for the eastern half of Texas, for starters.

I think I will start a thread on this. Polls forum, everyone!

 

[LadyEagle]

Hey, wait up, you two! I'm part Native American Indian, too....I want some reparations! Gimme some coastal land back for my share, somewhere along the Gulf of Mexico with a beach condo would be nice!

 

[Johnv]

Yes, I think if you're 1/16th Native AMerican or more, you can have your college education underwritten.

As for me, I'm part Indonesian, which makes me a Pacific Islander. Of course, in California, race/ethnicity is no longer a criteria on a college application to the UC or CSU system.