Women in charge???

Terry
Did I miss something? Where is it written that Deborah did not want to lead and that Barak was a wimp? (I would like to think the behind every good man is a good woman.)

Quote from Terry:
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Yes, Barak was a "wimp." But, God wanted a man to do this and not a woman. Even Deborah did not want to lead, she was forced to do so because the man would not.
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Off to re-read the story agian.
(((((Hugs ya)))))
Music4Him

 

I find that the context has been preserved exactly. God never instructs us to serve outside of our capacity to do so. By that I mean that we are to serve as He has equipped us to serve in our roles as men and as women.

God has used many women: the Samaritan woman, Rahab, Ruth, Lydia, Priscilla, Mary, etc., but he never crossed gender lines in how their service was rendered and they didn't either. They were never doing work in a man's capacity and likewise the men in the Bible are never found working in a woman's capacity. God does not violate the social order He established in the beginning. </font>[/QUOTE]What's interesting here is the assumption that social change plays no part at all in the discussion.

Carrying this discussion to its logical conclusion, then, means that women are property, and unwanted babies can and should be exposed.

 

I don't follow you...

Women are NOT 'property' or second class citizens just because God assigned them different roles from men!

Women are not INFERIOR - just DIFFERENT.

If I wanted the same rights that a man has, I would have to give up some of the rights I already have!

I thoroughly enjoy staying home and taking care of my family instead of having to be responsible for working 9-5 to make a living (yes, I have done that out of necessity, but it wasn't pretty!)

Me thinks there would be a lot less trouble in the world if BOTH men and women would stay within their God-given 'perimeters'.

I do not see this as a put down or a way to stop the ministry of a woman.

Society has changed - people have changed - cultures have changed... GOD HAS NOT.

§ue

 

Thats right Sue! God has not changed. The daughters of Zelophehad had to speak up to get thier inheritance had they not of spoke up then what? The virtuous woman probley wouldn't of even been able to buy a field with the money she made making fine linen..... Prov.31:10-31

The Daughters of Zelophehad
Numbers 27:1-11
1 Then came the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph: and these are the names of his daughters; Mahlah, Noah, and Hoglah, and Milcah, and Tirzah.
2 And they stood before Moses, and before Eleazar the priest, and before the princes and all the congregation, by the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
3 Our father died in the wilderness, and he was not in the company of them that gathered themselves together against the LORD in the company of Korah; but died in his own sin, and had no sons.
4 Why should the name of our father be done away from among his family, because he hath no son? Give unto us therefore a possession among the brethren of our father.
5 And Moses brought their cause before the LORD. 6 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
7 The daughters of Zelophehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them.
8 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter.
9 And if he have no daughter, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his brethren.
10 And if he have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his father's brethren.
11 And if his father have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his kinsman that is next to him of his family, and he shall possess it: and it shall be unto the children of Israel a statute of judgment, as the LORD commanded Moses.

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Gal. 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Music4Him

 

So we leave it to Baptists to interpret what God means when He speaks.

 

I guess, then, that a Proverbs 31 woman (or *any* *real* Christian Lady)can not be a Navy Wife... Hardest job in the military!

 

I think sometimes we get so worked up over who will rule the roost that we forget about who will rule the rooster.

People who are working don't need to worry about who the leader will be. In every case I have seen the men be the leader when everyone is working. The issue is never an issue until the men stop working and leading and then the ladies sterp in and get the work done. Passive men create frustrated women who will try to lead and men who are lazy and argue about who will lead. Active men creates a situation where everyone is content and there is peace and God moves.

One time when I was pastoring in a small town and I began to discuss the idea of working together to evangelize the town. One of the pastors asked, "What will we do with the people who come to Christ?" It was the idea of how will we divide them up. I told him to disciple them he leads to Christ. He was worried about what to do with them when he hadn't won people to Christ. You have to get the people to come to a banquet before you have to worry about the problems associated with how many will come.

 

I met a lady years ago that while her husband was at work she was out investing the money he earned. He gives her the credit for their ability to give now and nice retirement.

 

Of course they can. They are following their husband...

 

But, they have to act completely independent of their husbands while the husbands are at sea...

There is no way, other than general guidelines, for a husband to pass down 'orders' to cover every eventuality a wife may encounter while he is submerged or otherwise incommunicado...

These periods can last from a continuous three to nine months...

I *really* liked what bg93433 had to say about being distracted by 'Chain of Command' instead of whose is at the "top"...

 

I've often noticed that the Biblical idea of marriage is easily twisted into a Neandertal kind of relationship. "Me huzban'. Make dinner, wommin. Ugh."

 

It's not a matter of "passing down orders". A wife generally knows her husband's wishes on important matters.

I am married to a retired Navy Chief - most of his 26 years, he spent 'submerged'. There was never any conflict.

When a husband is unavailable, he puts his wife in charge of the home. The wife, in that scenario, is not usurping authority over her husband. He has given her permission to make the necessary decisions while he is gone. Therefore, she is completely in submission while being 'in charge'...

 

It's not a matter of "passing down orders". A wife generally knows her husband's wishes on important matters.

I am married to a retired Navy Chief - most of his 26 years, he spent 'submerged'. There was never any conflict.

When a husband is unavailable, he puts his wife in charge of the home. The wife, in that scenario, is not usurping authority over her husband. He has given her permission to make the necessary decisions while he is gone. Therefore, she is completely in submission while being 'in charge'... </font>[/QUOTE]It states in Pr 31 that the husband trust in her.

I have no need to micro mange my wife.

I trust her to do what is right but the responses ability of the house hold is my own.

 

Excellent clarification 'I Am Blessed'

And, also John3v36...

And, I think tragic-pizza's 'jibe' is *very* telling the way a *lot* of 'religious' men approach 'submission'...

For my own view...

Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church...

Follow that with the fact that Christ did not *ask* the church to submit to His 'rulership' until *after* He had died for her...

That is Christ laid down His own life for the sake of His Church...

Can a *true* Christian Husband do less *before* 'asking' for submission from his wife?

Yet... We love to spout Scripture and *demand* our 'rights' as men...

So, are 'we' Husbands doing What Jesus Would Do?

Or, are we doing what the World Would Do....

 

~Tragic_pizza Nope....my bible says this:
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

Me thinks a lot of us are making "following the Bible" a whole lot harder than it is...

Just read His Word and DO it! Simple, huh?

§ue

 

I Am Blessed 16~ That almodt sounds like the Nike ad... (Just do it!)
Alrighty!

Matthew 10:5-8
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.


Matt. 10:27
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.


Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 9:2
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. (In chap. 10 Jesus sent out 70 disciples.)

Music4Him

 

My bad..... I thought I clicked edit....sorry folks. I'm so embarrased, I blush.

 

~Tragic_pizza Nope....my bible says this:
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. </font>[/QUOTE]OK, so my Presbyterian denomination interprets the Scripture differently on this subject than do the Baptists. Which of us is in error, and please explain your reasoning for your answer.