The First Sin

Both Adam and Eve sinned. Eve because she disobeyed God's commandment, and Adam because he was the spiritual leader of their union, and he stood there and watched her take the fruit when he should have stepped in and stopped her.

 

This is something that ha always bothered me, Why do Baptist's refer to Adam and Eve as the First Sinners? and blame THEM for the fall of man? When Satan, who was originally named Lucifier, and was a Arc-Angel in Heaven, fell and thereby became the Enemy and Axis for Evil of all man kind. Why not just blame satan? instead of pinning it on Adam and Eve.

I do know the answer to this, But I just wanna see what others might say about it.

I'll answer my own question!

Because God gave man a clear choice, Don't eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and Live in a Glorified State forever or do eat of it and sin and fall, Satan tempted, MAN CHOSE TO SIN! It was never forced upon them! and they did, and thus the total depraved state of man today. Satan's overthrow had nothing to do with us. He was a Spiritual Being that was cast out of Heaven and not human creation, But rather a created SPIRITUAL BEING, AN ANGEL! Man was a physical being. We were made in GOD'S IMAGE, But were Physical Beings and Satan, because of utter hatred of God. Attempted to distroy mankind through sin, because he knew that God was a Holy and righteous God and in his presence NO SIN could exist, so, He choose to distroy man kind through sin, But God, Because he loved his creation so much, chose to make a way of atonement for them, his only Begotten Son, Jesus.

How's that for an answer?

-TheWinDork

 

Hello MRCoon.

Lucifer might bring up a nice argument. Jesus is Lucifer.

Adam's sin was not that he stood by while she ate of the tree, Adam was under a covenant of works, the only thing he needed to avoid was the tree.

We don't know what commandment(s) Satan was under so we cannot say he sinned first. Eve was told not to touch the tree and she sinned openly first. Her sin involved her and the snake (for the deception).

A bit of speculation. Adam stood behind Eve and waited to see what would happen to her. When he saw she was ok he ate and that involved us.
The thing is that Eve would have known something happen because she died spiritually before she handed the apple over. She did not warn him.

Adam and Eve were told not to eat the fruit, the fact that they did, for whatever reason, means they broke God's law and must suffer for it.
Adam knew what he was after, Eve was deceived because she desired the fruit but Adam knew. He is held responsible for his actions, no one else can be blamed for our actions.

john.

 

Adam's sin was not that he stood by while she ate of the tree,


I would disagree, being the leader of their union he was responsible for leading her to the correct course of action. Standing by and waiting to see what happened instead of telling her not to eat from the fruit was his failure and sin.

Are you married Johnp? If your wife is disobeying God's commandment and you know this yet do nothing are not responsible? Your doing nothing is a sin, since you are the spiritual leader the same way Adam was.

 

Sin is a human condition, a human attribute if you will. Satan could not have been the first sinner, because Christ's death atoned for sin, meaning Satan and his angels' sin would have been atoned for, also.

 

UHHHH, it's pretty basic why we blame Adam (not necessarily Eve). The Bible blames Adam.

Romans 5:12-14 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned -- 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Satan is not blamed for the plight of the human race, Adam is. Eve is not blamed for the plight of the human race, Adam is. Eve was deceived and sinned first (humanly speaking), but it was Adam's sin that plunged the human race into sin. He was our representative head and in Adam, all die.

 

Only if you believe in universal atonement. (let's just leave it at that and not turn this into a C/A thread)

 

Romans 6:10 For when he died, he died once and for all as far as sin is concerned. But now that he is alive, he lives for God.

 

I'm not sure what your point is here, but I am assuming it is a universal atonement proof-text for you. So, let's look at context...

Romans 6:8-10 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

The "all" here is all within the category of the "we" in verse 8. All this says is that Christ died for all that died with Him. Only those who believe (the elect) died with Christ. Therefore the death that He died, He died to sin once for all (of them).

 

Satan sat out to deceive Eve before she sinned. We aren't given the details but he was already in rebellion and by necessity had already fallen... otherwise he would not have been coaxing her to rebel against God.

Perhaps that was his first sin. We just aren't told. But his rebellion must have preceeded hers or at worst coincided with it.

As for Adam, no matter where he was, he was responsible for Eve.

 

IOW's Adam's blaming Eve was lame through and through.

 

How do you get beyond the fact that Satan tempted Eve to sin... which is a sin... before Eve sinned?

 

Between Adam and Eve, Paul under inspiration says Eve sinned first:

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.