How to convince a Christian to vote 3rd party?

A lot of us don't believe that Bush is completely striaght on his faith. I don't know. I saw again on Frontline two nights ago some things about his faith where he was very straightforward about what he believed, and was more orthodox than even Billy Graham. But that is irrelevant.

The US government is not going to bring the kingdom of God in. But electing the right kind of people can help to delay the problems. In this election year, there is only one man who can help delay the problems ... and that is Bush. While you might like a third party candidate, they are not electable. The last thrid party candidate that was viable was Ross Perot who only got 20% of the vote and gave us the first four years of Bill Clinton. With all of his money and with the tremendous media push behind him, he failed very badly in the presidential run. Peroutka has neither the money, nor the media. He is not even showing up in polls. That's how unserious his candidacy is.

BTW, your questions are very misleading and designed to point to one conclusion, namely yours.

To convince this Christian to vote third party, you are going to have to provide a viable candidate.

 

Pastor Larry, I think the majority of those who refuse to vote third party do so simply because they ARE third party.
Would you honestly have voted for Bush in the last election if he had been a 3rd party candidate, or even in this election?
Gina

 

In order to convince me that voting for a third party candidate like Peroutka is the way to go, you are going to have to do the following:

1. Produce a candidate who has some political experience and name recognition who has a chance to win.

2. Convince me that by casting my vote for Peroutka, I won't be helping to elect Kerry.

3. Stop with the silliness of trying to say that Bush is more liberal than Kerry and Clinton. Nobody really believes that. It is just slanderous rhetoric.

4. Convince me that Peroutka is not going to give another victory to Al Quaeda and other Islamic terror groups as Spain did by pulling our troops out of the Middle East before we win the war, and consequently, present our nation as weak to our enemies inviting them to do to us what they have done to Israel on a weekly or daily basis.

5. Convince me that under our Contitutional form of government, that Peroutka can wave his Constitutional magic wand and end all abortions tommorow without being shot down by Congress and the Supreme Court.

6. Convince me that Peroutka isn't just a political idealist who really has no idea about how things really work in Washington politics.

If you can do all 6 of these things, I would seriously consider voting for him. But, as it stands, I am doubtful that you can. Go ahead. Prove me wrong. Convince me.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Michael Peroutka will work to protect our borders from illegal immigrants(including terrorists) as shown by the fact that organizations and people who want to see our borders protected are supporting him. Does anyone really believe that the Demopublicans, led by President Bush and Senator Kerry, are going to work to stop illegal immigration and work to deport those illegal immigrants already here? Their past records and statements indicate that they will not.

 

Joseph, aren't we pulling out anyhow, at least symbolically within a few weeks as we hand power back over to the Iraqis?
As far as the rest of your reasons, it's a good thing people don't choose religion the same way! They simply go with the right one...
Gina

 

Please name one attack on this country on our soil since 9-11. I disagree with Bush's immigration policy and have stated so publicly in the past. But I strongly disagree even more with giving Al Queda and other terror groups another victory by electing someone who will pull our troops out before we defeat the enemy. Take a good look at what is going on in Israel, because that is exactly what will be happening here if we follow that course of action.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I submit that President Bush is now looking for an exit strategy in Iraq, not a victory strategy. And I believe we will see that in his speech this coming Monday.

 

We are moving toward incorporating their own self governing democracy (far cry from the accusations of imperialism and blood for oil that have been irresponsibly leveled against America by those who oppose the war, isn't it). Our troops will remain for a good long time until we establish order and defeat the enemy. This will not happen under Peroutka. He has even said as much.

As far as the rest of your reasons, it's a good thing people don't choose religion the same way![/QUOTE]

I don't look at my political affiliation as my religion. Is that the way Constitutionalist view their party; as a religion. I would say that this is yet one more reason for me as a Christian to not be involved with the CP.

They simply go with the right one...
Gina [/QUOTE]

I believe I have chosen the right candidate. Prove me wrong. Convince me of those 6 things I mentioned above. If you can't, then this conversation is really fruitless.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I submit that regardless of who is president, that all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq by the end of June 2006.

 

According to Peroutka's website, he will pull all America troops out immediately. If he is telling the truth there, then he is either contradicting your idea or he is very naive about how things work in the world.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Obviously, there are logistics involved in pulling out 135,000 troops. Thus, immediately would not mean on January 20 or 21, 2005.

 

Probably not, because he likely would not have the support to win a race. In politics, there is idealism and there is reality. The reality is where we have to live. The reality is that there is no perfect candidate. So, in all questions, we are dealing with a mixture of views and electability.

To use an analogy, I am offering a free car to all who can get to my house by 6:15 this evening. IT is a real offer. IF you can get there, I will give you a free car. But is that a legitimate possibility? Of course not, since it is not 6:00 and no one knows where I live. Peroutka running for president is like me giving a car. It is a real offer. It is simply useless at this point.

Electability is the real world that we have to live in, not the ideal. I love the ideal, but it's not real. There is a degree to which wisdom demands that we give up the ideal so as not to make the real worse.

 

I am very concerned about the cause of Christ and his kingdom. BUt we am not electing a theologian in chief. The US will not bring in the kingdom. Only Christ will do that.

As for Bush's faith, I cannot be certain. I heard again his remarks from the debate about Christ as his Savior. What a bold statement, matter of fact, and genuine. I think even Alan Keyes was impressed by that. Bush is certainly not well taught though. Whether or not he has thought through all of the interfaith issues is not my call. I simply don't know. I am not voting for him becuase of his Christian faith (real or not). I am, as of now, voting for him because he is the best viable candidate. I wish there was another. There is not.

The "weak things of the world" argument doesn't fit here. That is about the gospel and salvation. It is not about politics. We should not confuse the two.

 

I wonder how many troops can be hauled home on one C-130J. I wonder how many 130's we have right here at good ole LRAFB. I know there are a lot of them. I don't think it would take as long as you are thinking Ken. Ever been inside a C-5. Those things are enormous. I bet if Peroutka really wanted to, he could pull it off a lot quicker than you are thinking.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I stated that I believe whomever is president will pull all of our troops out of Iraq by the end of June 2005. That does not mean it might not happen sooner.

I think if President Bush could have his druthers considering how things are going, that he would like to see all of our troops out of Iraq by November 2, 2004, to help his reelection bid.

 

I hope Michael Peroutka becomes president on January 20, 2005, so we can find out.

 

But does that mean we must do, as I believe you are advocating, that we should vote for Socialist A because you believe he is not quite as socialistic as Socialist B?

 

If you want Christians to vote for Peroutka, you will need to remove the brain from every Christian's melon prior to the election. Then you will need to put a pen in our hands and lead us to the ballot to help us mark it.

Sincerely,

a Christian who isn't duped by the idea that the United States is to usher in the Kingdom of God.