Oneness Vs. Trinity Debate

That's no surprise, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are each 100% God, not 33% of God. The 3 are 1, not the 3 thirds are 1, not the 1 is 1, not the 3 are 3, the 3 are 1, triune.</font>[/QUOTE]Dual, I promise I have not forgot you. I know you are kind of new to talking with me so let me tell you about how I answer posts.

I am at work from 8-5 est time. M-F and I usually do not get on a cp on the weekends unless I am at my parents home. But Wednesday I got jumped onto by my boss about being on the net so much at work. So I am trying to be a little bit more sneaky about it so I will not be able to respond alot for a while.

But if I dont answer you, rest assure that I will.

God bless

 

Not them, thats for sure and I gave you two book titles that are fairly decent.

Could of fooled me, you have only shown us where people were baptised by the authority of Jesus. In fact, I seem to recall pointing out a passage where baptism in Jesus name was spoken against."14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. " Acts 8:14-16

Why don't you look it up. We have answered it enough times you shouldn't have any trouble finding the answer.</font>[/QUOTE]

Oh yea they were really rebukeing the people here for being baptized in the Name of Jesus. They were not speaking against it, why would they speak against something Peter Preached who was instructed by Jesus (matt 28:19, Luke 24:45-49, Mark 16:16)

They were merely saying that being baptized in Jesus name is not enough.

Chemitz, you accuse me of swinging at straws, but when we go to the book of acts thats all you appear to be doing. You start picking at and makeing it say what you want it to say.

Lorelie, said she takes the bible for what it says. So where is she at now. What does she do when she gets to the book of acts? Do she do exactly what it says or does she do what she wants it to say?

It is so easy to see that the "Name" In Matthew 28:19 is singular. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost do not decribe three Names of Three diffrent people. If that were the case Jesus would have said, "Baptize them in the Names of the the Father, Son, and HOly GHost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all decribe the One Name that we are supposed to be baptized in. And when we go to the book of Acts, we find out that one Name is Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38)

Acts 4:12 says "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Collosians 3:17 says "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

Another Pont before I close.

Collosians 3:17...giving thanks to God and the Father by him

According to Lorelie, she would take this to mean two seperate Persons. My question is How can you give thanks to God and the Father?

There is no doubt that when we give thanks to the Lord Jesus Christ we give Glory to the Father Himself.

God bless

 

Must we rehash an argument that I already refuted. This is exactly what i am talking about.

Lorelei is right on about that, if you can't be trusted at work how can we trust you to be an honest Christian scholar. This discussion is over. If you want to continue the discussion buy a computer and surf the web honestly.</font>[/QUOTE]Lorelie, First I was not attacking you nor was i trying to go back against my appology. I was just makeing a point.

I was not asking you to comment, just trying to make a point how if someone does what they say they do, Does their actions agree

I knew i probably should not have put that down, I new the other two people in the Godhead would have commented on that.

But you are right, BTW Chemitz Im not a scholar, just someone that studies the bible.

As far as me being sneaky, Did you bother to tell me what all you have done wrong? And please I am not asking you to. You have your faults and I have mine.

But No job is going to keep me from shareing the word of God with someone.

Maybe i will get punished when i get to heaven but oh well, I'll be there.

Dont read to much into it guys

 

Do you want the verses on those who eat should work for thier food and that we shouldn't be lazy etc etc. What you are doing is stealing from your boss. He is paying you to do a job and you are NOT doing it. If you don't want your job to interfere with your preaching than QUIT it. Otherwise you are thief and a deceiver. Especially in light of the fact that your boss does indeed have a problem with your being on the net so much.

~Lorelei</font>[/QUOTE]You know its alot eaiser accepting correction than going against it.

I will try to do better.

I told you I would let someone know if they are right, and Lorelie, you and Chemitz are both right. As far as this matter is concerned.

Ill be the first to tell you that I dont do everything I am supposed to.

Thanks

Now Back to the topic

[ September 27, 2002, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Im on break guys so dont put me in purgotory.

Concerning the Baptisim of Jesus Christ...

The Man, The voice and the Dove.

How people see this as three persons I do not know. Its just something that I cannot understand. I am in no way trying to belittle you dualhunter. So here goes.

The Dove, The man Jesus, and The voice were all the same person. Its just another beautiful example of gods omnipresence (sp?)

We know that Jesus as a man could not be in every place at one time. But the Spirit inside of that man could. He could be inside of Jesus, A voice from heaven, and a Spirit in the shape of a dove all at the same time.

If God is speaking to a person in China, a Person in America, and A person in Europe, and A person in Russia all at the same time, Does this mean there are four gods? Not at all.

We have to understand what the baptisim was for. Jesus was being baptized to fullfill all rightousness (Matt 3:15). He was not baptized for the same reason you and I are baptized.

He was simply baptized to show the world that he was the Christ. It was to make himself known or to manifest himself as who he was to John and to the witnesses there watching and to those who were getting baptized.

All the things that happened that day were signs for the people and for John the Baptist.

The Dove was for John the Baptist. It was a sign for him to confirm that he was the one who would baptize with the holy ghost. (John:1:32-34)

What about the voice, was it a sperarte person speaking? No it is still the one true God. What was the voice for? It was also for a sign. It was a sign for the People. It was not for the benifit of The Son, but it was for the benifit of the people.

If you look at John 12:28-30 it is another example of Gods voice being heard. And Jesus told them that the voice did not come b/c of me but for your sakes.

There were a few other examples of A voice being heard, and all along it was for the peoples sake.
Matt 3:17, Matt 17:5, John 12:30. It was God letting them Know that Jesus is God.

So it is very easy to understand that the baptisim of Jesus does not add up to three seperate persons, But it does add up that God is omnipresent and that he can be a voice, A dove, and a man all at the same time.

God is so awesome.

God bless

[ September 27, 2002, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Did you care to respond to that hunter?

I will be back probably on Monday.

Godbless

 

You still haven't dealt with the fact that God was present in 3 persons as shown by the Father saying, "this is my Son" and not "this is Me in another form".</font>[/QUOTE]

You still haven't dealt with the fact that God was present in 3 persons as shown by the Father saying, "this is my Son" and not "this is Me in another form".</font>[/QUOTE]WHATTT????????

Come on sir, There is no fact that GOd was present in three pErsons. So to say this means he was present in three Gods, Three Lords, Three
Kings, Three Great I AM's, etc.

God was simply One God, One Person, As a Dove, Voice, and man.

Do you believe that God is omnipresent? Do you believe God can be in more than one location at one time without haveing to be devided?

I do not need to adress the fact that there were three persons b/c the bible does not indicate it

God Bless

 

Any comments dualhunter?

 

Anybody?

 

Why the fuss? I thought it was too, *shruggs shoulders"

Maybe its not us that faulty understand the word "person". Maybe its a trinitarian who misunderstands it.

God bless

MEEEEEEEEEEEEE, where have you been? Have not noticed you around in a while. Things going ok?

Good to see you again.

Godbless