Oneness Vs. Trinity Debate

Hey Granny, looks like you found the fountain of youth just kidding.

And why not go ahead and give the rest of what Jesus said? "John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me."

Granny maybe you could answer this:

Who is Jesus's Father? Is it the Father or the HOly GHost?

Thanks for bringing that out Mee.

God bless you Granny.

 

Why the fuss, ONENESS? Because you are in reality not a CHRISTIAN - you deny God because you deny the holy Trinity. The Scriptures and Church History stand as witnesses against you in your heretical stand. I realize this probably sounds harsh, but it is, nonetheless, true.

Rev. G</font>[/QUOTE]Show me one verse that says there is a "Holy Trinity"

I can show you verse after verse that says there is only ONE GOD.

What is your defintion of persons as MEE asked? If you mean manifestations than we can agree but no where in the bible does it refer to God as Seperate Persons. The term Persons used to express the nature of God cannot be found in the bible.

Would you mind answering a few questions?

If so just tell MEE and myself who is the Father.

Is it the Father, or the Holy Ghost?

 

Granny, let this be written in stone from this point on. I do not deny The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. I just deny that they exist in a plurality of Persons. If this is true than it goes directly againt the Oneness of God.

The bible lets us know that the father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three manifestations of the one God.

God does not have to split in three diffrent persons to be able to do certain things.

Gods big enough to be our Father in creation, The Son in redemption and the Holy Spirit all at the same time without haveing to be devided.

God bless

Granny do you not belive that the Holy Ghost is the Highest?

[ October 01, 2002, 03:26 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

The teaching of the triune God does not appear. Do you think something so important as the Trinity would be left out of scripture?

God never intended for us to worship three seperate People.

Yes it does affirm his diety, but it also lets us know that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all found in that ONE PERSON.

God bless

[ October 01, 2002, 03:51 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Sorry about that did not know you asked that. Please forgive me.

Jehovah is the Father.

 

So Granny do you believe that the Holy Ghost is not the highest?

[ October 01, 2002, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Yes it does affirm his deity, but it also lets us know that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all found in that ONE PERSON.

God bless
</font>[/QUOTE]No, God never intended for us to worship three separate People. He does intend for us to worship Him in all of His manifestations. The People are not separate, They just have separate works and offices.
We have agreed that Jesus is God. Now look
Genesis1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. From this verse we see that God has a Spirit, right? You believe the Trinity, you just don't like to call it "The Trinity.". God bless.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]

Prophet, how are you? I liked your response. I totally agree with that. But do you think that we are to worship them separatly? When we worship Jesus we are giveing Glory to the One true God b/c he manifested himself in the Name and Person of Jesus Christ.(Col 3:17)

Now here is where we bump bellies a little. When you read this you take it to mean that God had a separate Spirit. Do you see how this splits God.

John 4:24 says that God is a Spirit. And we know that to be true. And anyone who reads that verse will more than likely agree that it is referring to the Father.

The bible says in Romans 8:9 that we must have the Spirit of Christ or we are none of his.

If all three are God and all three are spirits would it not be enough to conclude that the "Spirit of God" Is none other than Jehovah or the Only One True God himself?

There is no separation needed to understand how our God can do all these things without having to stop doing something else.

Thanks alot

[ October 02, 2002, 08:19 AM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

Isa. 43:10,11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
--Know and understand that there is but one God, one saviour. Who is He?

Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Who is this child that will be born, the "son" to be given? His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, "The mighty God," Say that again?? THE MIGHTY GOD! Who is this child? Who is this son? What other name does he have? "The everlasting Father" What did you say? You heard me right the first time. THE EVERLASTING FATHER! The Son is called "the everlasting Father!" He is called: "the mighty God, the everlasting Father!" And He is called "the Prince of Peace;" He is the only one that can bring peace to this sin-sick world. Why? Because HE IS GOD, and there is none other beside Him. Not only does this verse show that Jesus Christ is God, but by calling Christ the Father it affirms that both the Father and the Son are unified together in the one triune Godhead.
DHK

Jehovah.

The Child is Jehovah. And when I say Jehovah, I am not talking about another part of Jehovah. I am talking about the One true undivided God.

DHK, you are so, so close to understanding this.

Jesus is God, and there is no one beside him. You said “By calling Christ the Father it affirms that both the Father and the Son are unified together in the one triune Godhead”. Why would you not be just as comfortable as saying that these two are the exact same person as the scripture is trying to let us see.

When you can understand what I am trying to point out you can see why no one in the New Testament were Baptized any other way than in the Name of Jesus Christ. After you see that they are all the same person you can understand what Jesus was saying when he said “Baptize them in the NAME of the Father, AND OF the Son, AND OF the Holy Ghost.

God Bless

 

I have mentioned this before in another thread. When we use the term "person" we mean "personal" not "human". There are not three separate people that make up one God. But our One God has 3 distinct "something"(whatever term suits you best) that each have their own role in creation, in our salvation, and in all things. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Spirit, but they all make up One God.

So you also limit God? You think that God must be definable in human terms or it is a false God???

Can you truly understand and explain how God is omnipotent, omnisceince and omniprescence (sp?)? How can you explain these things if you have not experienced them? Your only explanation is the same as ours. "He is God, so He can do it".

Can you truly explain how God gave His only Son to die for the sins of the world? Would you give your child to save the life of a child molester or murderer??? You know it's true, the Bible tells us these things, but we can not comprehend in our human mind how it can be so, except that He is God and with Him all things are possible.

It is the same with our belief. We read the Bible. It tells us that there is One God. It tells us that Jesus is God. It tells us that Jesus is the "Son of God". That Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father. It tells us that the Holy Spirit testifies, not of himself, but of the Son and is sent, not by himself, but by the Father. It says that the Father loves the Son.

Unless you believe in the trinity you must either believe that there is more than one God or that Jesus is NOT God.

I can't explain in human terms how the two can be true, but I know what the Bible says, and unless you want to ignore half of it, you must believe it or call it a liar.

I hope this helps explain it a little better.

~Lorelei</font>[/QUOTE]I thought you were through with this discussion? just teasing

Of course we can.

If you Loved something so much would you send your son to die for someone? NO! Of course you would not.

What would you do? Would you not go do it yourself? Thats what I would do.
And thats exactly what God did.

God did not, I repeat did not send another person to come die for our sins. God simply manifested himself as a human and came down here on this earth and died for us.

The bible says in 1 John 3:16 that God laid down his life. Its the same God, Same Person, as John 3:16. And the Son in John 3:16 is the Same God, Same Person, that spoke to Moses, Abraham, Noah, and the Prophets.

There were not three seperate people, persons, that were there whispering in each ear with one saying one thing and the other saying another thing.

They are all the same Person. They are all the Same God. They are not devided, nor are they seperated.

Was there another person beside god? NO. God was the only one.

God bless

[ October 02, 2002, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

sorry about this, I meant to edit my above post and hit "quote" by accident. So if you just read my post above in the last five mins make sure you saw a big smile beside my first comment.

God bless

[ October 02, 2002, 11:28 AM: Message edited by: ONENESS ]

 

LOL, Thats a very good question Granny,

NO

Thats the awesome part about God, He can do all these things without haveing to limit himself in one place.

Now as a Man, That man could only be in one place. But the Eternal Spirit that dwells inside of that Body is capable of being everywhere without haveing to stop being God in another place.

This goes back to the statement earlier.

If Someone in Germany, Africa, Asia, And Europe are all haveing visions from God or a Miricle is takeing place in all of these four locations, And all at the Exact same time. Does that mean that there are four persons of God? One for the vision or mircle in Europe, one person for Africa, One Person for Germany etc.

NO! not at all.

God can do all these things without be seperating.

Godbless