Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)

Originally posted by MikeS:
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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it?

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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it? </font>[/QUOTE]Same ol' same ol'

Originally posted by MikeS:
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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it? </font>[/QUOTE]Same ol' same ol'

</font>[/QUOTE]For some reason I take that as a NO!

Now you know why I post.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Originally posted by John3v36:
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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it? </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html

And read it?


At least we know who wrote all of those writings...

Originally posted by John3v36:
Now you know why I post.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

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So if I don't read every anti-Catholic website, book and pamphlet available I haven't heard of Christ? That's what I call a s---t---r---e---c---h.

Originally posted by Harley4Him:
Is there a policy about repeatedly posting material of suspect veracity John? I'm kinda new here, but I would have expected a Christian board to have relatively high standards for citations.

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Seems like we've got some vain repetition going on here!

Originally posted by MikeS:
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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it? </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html

And read it?


At least we know who wrote all of those writings...

</font>[/QUOTE]Let see you cam to a topic called: "Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)"
about her web site http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

I did not go to a site you started about

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html

I would think if you come to a post you would come ready to talk about that post.


SOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Did you read it!

Originally posted by MikeS:
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Christ would not go against common sense? That was a good one, DHK. Jesus Christ is God. He can do miracles. God can do anything. Remember the water into wine. It was real wine. It didn’t just look like wine. It didn't represent wine. The water became the finest wine. This first miracle went against common sense. “… we walk by faith, not by sight…” --2 Corinthians 5:7

God Bless

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Gee, Kathryn, I suppose next you'll be telling us that Christ didn't stay dead, but that he actually rose from the dead! Wow! Don't you Christians have any common sense?!

</font>[/QUOTE]Your answers demonstrate both your naivety and complete lack of common sense.
No, God cannot do anything He wants despite what what the finite mind of Kathryn declares. Kathryn is not God. If Kathryn wants to believe in a god that can do anything that it wants to do, then she should convert to Islam. Allah is a very capricious, cruel, fatalistic god, who can do anything he wants to without regard to man, or without regard to his (i.e., Allah's) Word (the Koran).
But I don't serve that God, or that kind of a God. I serve Jesus Christ: the same, yesterday, today, and forever; the one who so demonstrated his love for me, in that while I was yet a sinner He died for me. My God cannot do whatever He wants. He has imposed limits upon Himself.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
--God does not, and will not lie. He cannot lie.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
--You may be a liar; but God is not. God cannot lie. God is truth.

God does not go against his nature. He will not do anything contrary to that which is against His own holiness, justice, mercy, grace, etc. He does not go against His own nature.

God does not go against His own Word. He has made promises and He keeps them. See again Numbers 23:19. He is not a man that he should lie. Hath he said, and shall he not do it?

God just cannot do anything He wants. To say that He can is a fallacy. Those who say so, do not exercise common sense.
DHK

The below was taken from:
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

Freedom From Catholicism

Mary Ann Collins
(A Former Catholic Nun)
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Ungodly Power and Authority

1. Becoming Roman

The Christian Church was persecuted by the Roman Empire until 314 A.D. when Emperor Constantine made an alliance with the Church. At that time the Church became Roman in organization and approach. Church officials dressed and behaved like Roman noblemen. In 380 A.D. Emperor Theodosius required Roman subjects to accept Rome's version of Christianity. Pagans, Jews and Christians who refused to comply were punished as heretics.

2. Papal Corruption

Because Rome was an important city, the Bishop of Rome had prestige, power and great possessions. Over the centuries his power increased and his title changed from "Bishop of Rome" to "Pope". Papal wealth and power often motivated men to become Pope for the wrong reasons.

Some men bribed their way into the papacy. Some men became Pope by means of armies, mob violence or murder. Once in power popes gave lands and wealth to their family members. Some popes had mistresses or homosexual lovers. One pope had such a bad reputation for rape that pilgrims were afraid to come to Saint Peter's. Some popes had dungeons and torturers. Some popes were heretics and were denounced by Church Councils and by other popes. One pope sold some Italian peasants into slavery because he had a dispute with their masters. Two of the most corrupt popes were Pope John XII and Pope Alexander VI.

Pope John XII was a violent man. He was so lustful that people of his day said that he turned the Lateran Palace into a brothel. He drank toasts to the devil. When gambling he invoked pagan gods and goddesses. He was killed by a jealous husband while in the act of committing adultery with the man's wife.

Pope Alexander VI was known for murder, bribery and selling positions of authority in the Church. He was grossly licentious. On one occasion he required 50 prostitutes to dance naked before him and to engage in sexual acts for his entertainment. He had cardinals killed so that he could confiscate their property and sell their positions to ambitious men. He died of poison after having dinner with a cardinal. It was rumored that the cardinal suspected that the Pope would try to poison him and he therefore switched wine goblets with the Pope.

3. Increasing Papal Power

Pope Gregory VII made cardinals, kings and emperors kiss his foot. He used excommunication to force kings and emperors to obey him. Catholics believed that the Catholic Church and its sacraments were necessary to go to Heaven. Therefore excommunication was considered to be a sentence of damnation to hell. The only remedy was to submit to the Pope and beg him to repeal the sentence.

A number of forged documents were used by Gregory VII and his successors in order to expand the power of the papacy. Some Roman Catholics tried to expose these forgeries but they were excommunicated for it. However the Orthodox Christians wrote detailed information about the forgeries.

Pope Innocent III said that the Pope is the ruler of the world and the father of princes and kings. He claimed that every priest and bishop must obey the Pope even if the Pope commands something evil. He said that nobody can judge the Pope.

Pope Innocent III forced the King of France to kill hundreds of thousands of French citizens in order to get rid of the Albigensian heretics. Because the Albigensians lived mingled among the French Catholics the Pope commanded that every person in the region, including the Catholics, be killed. This was called the Albigensian Crusade. The Pope gave the Albigensian Crusaders a special indulgence which was supposed to guarantee that if they died in battle then their sins would be remitted and they would go to Heaven.

4. The Inquisition

The Fourth Lateran Council was held in 1215 during the reign of Pope Innocent III. It decreed that heretics were to be turned over to secular authorities to be killed. Catholics who helped exterminate heretics were given the same indulgences and privileges as Crusaders.

People who disagreed with any Catholic doctrine or any papal pronouncement were considered to be heretics. The Inquisition expanded the definition of heresy to include things like reading the Bible or eating meat during Lent. When the Spanish came to Latin America they brought the Inquisition with them. Natives were tortured and killed for refusing to convert to Catholicism.

For six centuries the Inquisition tortured people who were accused of heresy. Many of them were sentenced to death. Others were imprisoned. Inquisitors required Catholics to report family members who said or did anything suspicious. Children were required to tell the Inquisitors if their parents did things such as reading a forbidden book or eating meat during Lent.

When people were accused of heresy, they were not allowed to know what the charges were or who their accusers were. They were tortured. If they confessed then they were usually sent to prison. If they refused to confess then the Inquisitors sentenced them to be killed by the civil authorities. If the civil authorities failed to cooperate, then the Inquisitors accused them of heresy. As a result, the civil authorities became victims of the system. The Inquisitors said that they would rather kill 100 innocent people than let one heretic go free.

The Catholic Church was able to technically keep its hands clean of bloodshed. The Inquisitors used methods of torture which caused intense pain but usually did not cause bleeding. According to the rules the Inquisitors were not supposed to kill people. However they tortured them severely which in some cases would result in death due to shock, heart failure and other stress-related causes. When the Inquisitors sentenced heretics to death the local civil authorities did the actual killing (under threat of being condemned as heretics if they refused). Catholic apologists who say that relatively few people were killed by the Inquisition are technically correct because the Inquisitors themselves normally did not do the actual killing. However Protestant historians and records kept by the Orthodox Church indicate that millions of people were killed as a result of the Inquisition.

When Inquisitors sentenced heretics to death the sentence specified the means of execution. In Europe heretics were often burned at the stake. In Latin America other forms of execution were also used. Heretics could be impaled or slowly roasted above a fire.

When people were convicted of heresy the Inquisitors took their money and their property. Inquisitors dug up dead men, convicted them of heresy and took their property. This meant confiscating property which had been inherited by the families of the dead heretics.

5. The Crusades

Popes had Crusades in order to take the Holy Land from the Muslims. Preachers were commissioned to inspire people to join the Crusades. The Pope gave indulgences to the Crusaders promising that if they died while on the Crusade then their sins would be remitted and they would go to Heaven.

The Crusaders went through Europe on their way to the Holy Land. While going through Europe, they killed Jews and "heretics". When they reached the Holy Land, the Crusaders killed Orthodox Christians and desecrated Orthodox churches.

When the First Crusade conquered Jerusalem, there was massive slaughter. Six thousand Jews took refuge in a synagogue. The Crusaders set it on fire. While the Jews were being burned alive, the Crusaders rode around the synagogue singing hymns. Thirty thousand Muslims took refuge inside the Dome of the Rock (an important mosque) and were slaughtered there. The streets ran with so much blood that the horses splashed it onto the legs of their riders. One Crusader wrote that they rode in blood which came up to the knees of their horses. Some Crusaders dismembered the bodies of people who had been killed. They made piles of heads and hands and feet. In some places the streets were so full of bodies that it was difficult for the horses to find safe footing.

The Fourth Crusade conquered Constantinople instead of going to the Holy Land. Constantinople was the center of the Orthodox Church, the location of its ruler (the Patriarch) and its greatest cathedral (Hagia Sophia). The Crusaders killed the men, plundered the city and set many buildings on fire. They raped and murdered matrons, girls and Orthodox nuns. They vandalized tombs of Orthodox emperors. They placed a notorious harlot in the seat of the Patriarch where she sang obscene songs and danced lewd dances. The Crusaders desecrated the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia. Consecrated bread and wine were thrown on the ground and trampled underfoot. Icons and religious objects of value were taken as booty. The altar was smashed and the pieces were taken as plunder. Reliquaries were broken open and the relics were treated disgracefully.

These things were done by people who called themselves Christians, under the banner of the cross, in the name of Jesus Christ. The Bible says "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written" (Romans 2:24).

The Jews and Muslims have not forgotten the Crusades. Some atheists, agnostics, Wiccans and neo-pagans have Internet articles which claim that the Crusades and the Inquisition demonstrate the true nature of Christianity. The Inquisition and the Crusades have made it difficult for some people to believe the Gospel and receive salvation.

6. More Papal Power

The claims of papal power kept increasing. In 1870 the Pope was declared to be infallible. The 1917 Code of Canon Law increased the power and authority of the Pope. In 1983 Pope John Paul II revised the Code of Canon Law. He added new laws that further increased the legal basis for the power and authority of the Pope.

7. Summary

The Roman Catholic Church is built on control, manipulation, violence, terror, lies and fraud. Popes gained power through the use of forged documents, waging war, dethroning kings and emperors, threatening people with damnation and persecuting Christians who disagreed with them. The Inquisition lasted for six centuries. It spread terror and bloodshed throughout the known world. The Crusades damaged the credibility of Christians in the eyes of other people.

Heavenly Father, I renounce every form of ungodly authority and ungodly power. I repent of every way in which I have abused my authority over someone else. I repent of submitting to ungodly authority. I repent of having been a member of a church which has a history of using terror, bloodshed, torture, lies, fraud, control and manipulation. I repent of my loyalty to the popes. I declare that You are my spiritual authority and not any pope or priest. I renounce greed, control, manipulation, coercion, deception, sexual immorality, violence and the lust for power. Please show me any ways in which I have participated in these things and give me the grace of heartfelt repentance. Please get these things out of my heart and out of my life. Please heal me from any harm I have suffered as a result of having other people do these things to me. Please set me free from every form of control by the Catholic Church. Please set me free from every ungodly influence of the Catholic Church. In the name of Jesus. Amen.

DHK:

Your answers demonstrate both your naivety and complete lack of common sense.
No, God cannot do anything He wants despite what what the finite mind of Kathryn declares. Kathryn is not God. If Kathryn wants to believe in a god that can do anything that it wants to do, then she should convert to Islam. Allah is a very capricious, cruel, fatalistic god, who can do anything he wants to without regard to man, or without regard to his (i.e., Allah's) Word (the Koran).
But I don't serve that God, or that kind of a God. I serve Jesus Christ: the same, yesterday, today, and forever; the one who so demonstrated his love for me, in that while I was yet a sinner He died for me. My God cannot do whatever He wants. He has imposed limits upon Himself.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
--God does not, and will not lie. He cannot lie.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;
--You may be a liar; but God is not. God cannot lie. God is truth.

God does not go against his nature. He will not do anything contrary to that which is against His own holiness, justice, mercy, grace, etc. He does not go against His own nature.

God does not go against His own Word. He has made promises and He keeps them. See again Numbers 23:19. He is not a man that he should lie. Hath he said, and shall he not do it?

God just cannot do anything He wants. To say that He can is a fallacy. Those who say so, do not exercise common sense.
DHK

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DHK:

I believe, with God all things are possible. Matthew 19:26

God Bless

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At some point you may want to save yourself (and us) a lot of time by just posting "ibid" whenever the urge to celebrate your freedom from bondage overcomes you... </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to
http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

And read it? </font>[/QUOTE]Have you gone to

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/

And read it?

Have you gone to

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html

And read it?


At least we know who wrote all of those writings...

</font>[/QUOTE]Let see you cam to a topic called: "Mary Ann Collins (A Former Catholic Nun)"
about her web site http://www.freedomfromcatholicism.com/KingJames1.html

I did not go to a site you started about

http://www.newmanreader.org/works/england/index.html

I would think if you come to a post you would come ready to talk about that post.


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Did you read it! </font>[/QUOTE]I'm still working on Boettner. After that it's Maria Monk and then Ciniquy. Mary Ann Collins will just have to wait.

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Are you happy now!

Originally posted by Kathryn:
I believe, with God all things are possible. Matthew 19:26

God Bless

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Common sense says to take things in their context. Why not look at the passage in its whole context?

Matthew 19:24-26 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them,
26 With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

What was Jesus talking about? The salvation of a rich man. With God it is possible for rich men to be saved. Study verse 24 for the context.

It was impossible for the historical Jesus Christ (the man-God) to take bread and wine and change it into his own flesh right before the disciples, and then command the disciples to eat it. To even think of such a thing is to dream up a science fiction horror movie.
DHK

DHK:

What was Jesus talking about? The salvation of a rich man. With God it is possible for rich men to be saved. Study verse 24 for the context.

It was impossible for the historical Jesus Christ (the man-God) to take bread and wine and change it into his own flesh right before the disciples, and then command the disciples to eat it. To even think of such a thing is to dream up a science fiction horror movie.
DHK

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So your saying, that when Scripture teaches:
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." It doesn't really mean with God all things are possible.

Hi DHK,

You wrote, "as it his body? Was it his blood? No, absolutely not!! It was a picture, and the disciples knew that very well."

That's right, because when I want to have a picture of Jesus on my nightstand, I place a loaf of bread there because the loaf of bread looks just like the God-Man.

I mean, Jesus was composed of flesh that was able to be torn apart like bread, Jesus probably had tan skin like the bread, and heck, if the bread has seeds on the exterior, those might even resemble the God-Man's freckles.

Perhaps I should walk around campus with a loaf of bread and when someone asks me what it is, I'll just say, "Duh, can't you see? It's Jesus!" and that individual will respond, "Oh yeah, how could I have missed it; it looks just like him!"

P.S. I saw Fr. Stan Fortuna (the last photo I posted) tonight again. He was rapping during a concert he put on this evening in the Fieldhouse on campus, which was incredible, and I purchased his newest CD: Adoration and had him autograph it..



school of the Eucharist
©2003 fr. stan fortuna, cfr

refrain
at this school when i sit
even just a little bit
i get hit with the power
that made the veil in the temple split
when i submit
fall on the floor and adore
can’t get enough
got to come back for sa-more
every prostitute and sinner
every fool and hypocrite
can benefit in this school
repent and commit
as the incense rises up
in adoration of the throne
somethin happens
to my wounded heart
from all the love revealed and shown
bright light Shekina
comes to my aid to assist
to change and sustain
the way i think and exist
to feel the bliss because my name
is in the book of life’s list
that’s what happens when you sit
in the school of the Eucharist

verse 1
be fertile and multiply
progenerate procreate
yet we frustrate the divine plan
it will only illustrate the disaster
of bein consumed
by consumer culture
recover sanctity
when spouses copulate
this is somethin that the culture can facilitate
instead they want to make big money so they desecrate
they press audiovisual triple x
vulgarity and violence
they dominate
that’s what they celebrate
thug wannabe’s or actuals
that’s what they emulate
and they mutilate each other
bad feelins like nas missin his mother
dre’s brother biggie and 2 pac
bonds stocks and glocks
need new buildin blocks
penitentiary and terror cells
the whole wide world
is under those locks
incarcerate and conversate
with a cultural inmate
the new prison no vision
don’t got the inner strength to tolerate
the pains we feelin
unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood you got no life within you
that means you dead
don’t matter the size of your venue
or how many records you sell
gehenna forces burnin
in this cultural hell
bond with your homies
with a mad rodman-iverson-type of tattoo
this battle still commin straight at you
don’t matter the size of your iq
ain’t no human mind that can
mastermind the breakthrough
give-me give-me takin greedy takin
not receivin – deadly fruit of not believin
it’s a hard teachin John 6:66
some were badly shaken
it’s time to stop fakin before we be rudely awakened (refrain)

verse 2
deadly cultural wound
who can stop the bleedin
with every beat of its heart
the culture is fallin apart
cultural remedy must pass through Gethsemane
all intellectual tryin
without dyin to self
perpetuates the attitude
“i’ll do it myself”
militant fanatics
with bodacious martyrdom
suicide bombers
we can’t stop ‘em we part of ‘em
it’s all over broadcast on tv
cnn radio am and fm
what a way to start
the new millennium
homeland security?
not without a renewed sense of purity
we got a big multicultural
international problem
everybody claims
a piece of father Abraham
deadly disputes
over the Promised Land
o little town of Bethlehem
it’s perpetual - need more adoration 24/7
destination heaven
illumines September eleven
it’s the Lord blessin
yeah 50 you lyrically inclined
get with it bro
you do got to shine and you can
if God is really the seamstress
that taylor fitted your pain
don’t be another statistic
you patiently waited for your fame
don’t forget you got scriptures
in your brain
then spit at the cultural nitwit
get with it and live it you ain’t bitter and you ain’t a quitter
here's a dollar’s worth of wisdom don’t be fooled by the glitter
even coach jackson can’t deal
with this kinda action
like he tried with l.a. ego bustin zen
made those prima donnas champions
even madonna with her yogi guru
remember the old school
eatin pork rinds and yoohoo?
every now and then
tryin to bust out of those chains
sometimes you think they gone
and even friends try to do you
there’s a cultural demonic possession
we ain’t learnin our lesson
when will it end?
wasn’t biggie 2 pac’s friend?
east coast west coast
this greed-infested rivalry
is a dead end
it’s time to stop fakin
before we all be rudely awakened (refrain)

verse 3
nas God’s son cd
so hard to see confusion
even got a good song to the youth
no curses in the verses miracle
i knew he could do in a couple tracks later he’s back offendin
what’s up what that?
is he pretendin?
or does he really care
about the mixed message he sendin?
hookin up with white boy
producin you
seducin you to speculate about
what if the Virgin Mary
had an abortion
yo proceed with caution
you messin
with the Mother of the real God’s Son
keep walkin that road son
and your chances of salvation
could dwindle down to none
whose gonna take the lead
and deliver the fatal blow?
rumor has it emminem
gonna change the vibe of his flow
hope so - curtain commin down
on the marshall matthers show?
can’t market me i’m too positively
dramatic plus i’m Catholic
my rhymes are just right
for these times
they theological
relationship with daddy
for most is just biological
too many young men got to pretend
even with big success
too much stress
the conclusion is deadly and logical growin without knowin
the joy of a boy
the problem is deep
why can’t we see through this tragedy
this heartfelt sincerity
combined with blasphemy
is the deception of the cultural blows that’s blastin me
you might not agree
space shuttle columbia debris
sprayin all over the country
just like that
who could foresee
wake up call
same kind of destruction
goin on inside of you and me
terror already busted up the skyway
everybody like sinatra
singin “i’ll do it my way”
cultural subluxation no chiropractor can adjust this vertebrae
only divine mercy can heal
the culture anyway
come on - it’s time to stop fakin before we all be rudely awakened. (refrain)

No offence; I like Fanny Crosby better.

Originally posted by Carson Weber:
Hi DHK,

You wrote, "as it his body? Was it his blood? No, absolutely not!! It was a picture, and the disciples knew that very well."

That's right, because when I want to have a picture of Jesus on my nightstand, I place a loaf of bread there because the loaf of bread looks just like the God-Man.

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A picture is a representation; not necessarily a look-alike or a photograph. I used the word "picture" for a reason, and did not use the word "photograph" for a reason. The bread "pictures" the body of Christ. It is symbolic of His body. I never once said that it looks like it. You drew that false conclusion yourself.
A picture is simply a representation.
The photograph that you had represented Fr. Stan.
The bread reprsents the body of Christ.
The bread does not have to look like Christ in order to to represent Christ--a truth that is self-evident to the thinking mind.
We use pictures as symbols or representations all the time.
A certain type of check mark often found on running shoes and other clothing stands for.....Nike
As I look at my computer screen, I see that a white N with a blue circle around it represents Netscape.
A wavy checkered flag represents windows, etc.

In the Bible everything has its context.
Jesus said:
I am the door. He is represented as a door.
I am the good shepherd: as a shepherd.
I am the way: as a path
I am the light: as a ray of light

The Bible also says about Him:
He is the Rock,
the bright and morning star,
the rose of Sharon,
the chief cornerstone,
the Word,
the Branch
the Seed of the Woman

These all refer to Christ, but they all do not look like Christ. Your argument is bogus. They picture Christ in some way.
DHK

Originally posted by John3v36:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Harley4Him:
Is there a policy about repeatedly posting material of suspect veracity John? I'm kinda new here, but I would have expected a Christian board to have relatively high standards for citations.

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You keep saying the samething over and over and over.
I would have expected a Christian board to have relatively high standards.

</font>[/QUOTE]Hey, it only took four postings and then having your name actually stuck into the question before you noticed. I guess being a Christian has nothing to do with the ability to get the point the first, second or third time!

I started this Post with the hope that some of the RC people would read Mary Ann Collins site. and we could go over the issue she brings up.

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It sounds like some of them did, and some of them already knew about her.

You call it "suspect veracity" But I don't see it that way.

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Well sure, many people are willing to believe stuff without any actual evidence. UFO nuts, Bigfooters, the black helicopter crowd ... you're in an elite group.

The veracity, fidelity, accuracy, & truthfulness I find very refreshing.

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I doubt it. Do you have any actual proof that what she says is true, or that she even exists? No matter though. As long as she confirms your bigotry you'll believe anything.

When brother Carson elevates for our attention a Protestant who joins the Catholic Church his statements are not divisive and it is not bigotry but when a Catholic turns to the truest form of the faith we risk being called bigots.

What is good for one brother is good for another brother in the faith of Christ; don't you think so?

Originally posted by Kathryn:
DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What was Jesus talking about? The salvation of a rich man. With God it is possible for rich men to be saved. Study verse 24 for the context.

It was impossible for the historical Jesus Christ (the man-God) to take bread and wine and change it into his own flesh right before the disciples, and then command the disciples to eat it. To even think of such a thing is to dream up a science fiction horror movie.
DHK

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So your saying, that when Scripture teaches:
"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." It doesn't really mean with God all things are possible.

</font>[/QUOTE]I think it means that all things are possible that are self-evident and don't violate common sense.

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
When brother Carson elevates for our attention a Protestant who joins the Catholic Church his statements are not divisive and it is not bigotry but when a Catholic turns to the truest form of the faith we risk being called bigots.

What is good for one brother is good for another brother in the faith of Christ; don't you think so?

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Has Carson, or any other Catholic here, been touting a website called www.freedomfrombaptists.org or equivalent? Did Carson, or any other Catholic here, point to a website that says "The Baptist faith is built on control, manipulation, violence, terror, lies and fraud"? (You see, John3v36, I did read the silly site )

That is the difference.