I fully agree. And it's not the content of the discussion.Originally posted by stubbornkelly:
It's threads like this that sometimes make me wish I'd been born a boy.
It's the demoralizing spirit of some of the posts.
Peace-
S.O.
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It's the demoralizing spirit of some of the posts.
Peace-
S.O.
stubbornkelly
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Molly, when I'm able to put it into better words than that, I'll do so.
But briefly, these threads make me feel like I'm supposed to be a mindless possession, whose only purpose is to breed more mindless possessions or men who can possess mindless breeders. I feel valueless, except by what value a man chooses to give me.
I know better, but those are the thoughts that run through my head as I read this thread and others like it.
*shrug* You asked.
But briefly, these threads make me feel like I'm supposed to be a mindless possession, whose only purpose is to breed more mindless possessions or men who can possess mindless breeders. I feel valueless, except by what value a man chooses to give me.
I know better, but those are the thoughts that run through my head as I read this thread and others like it.
*shrug* You asked.
Rev. Joshua
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Kelly,
You're only feeling this way because you sub-consciously know you should be living in submission to a man: your husband, your father, some Joe off the street, anyone really. If you weren't feeling the urge to submit, then you wouldn't be saved (this way I can point out that anyone who disagrees with what I'm saying must not be a spiritual as I am). Once you realize that you're only going to be happy depending on a man for protection, sustenance, leadership, jar-opening, etc; you won't want to be a boy any more.
Unless your a lesbian, in which case we need to go back to the salvation thing.
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Joshua
Kelly,
You're only feeling this way because you sub-consciously know you should be living in submission to a man: your husband, your father, some Joe off the street, anyone really. If you weren't feeling the urge to submit, then you wouldn't be saved (this way I can point out that anyone who disagrees with what I'm saying must not be a spiritual as I am). Once you realize that you're only going to be happy depending on a man for protection, sustenance, leadership, jar-opening, etc; you won't want to be a boy any more.
Unless your a lesbian, in which case we need to go back to the salvation thing.
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Joshua
Kelly, you've been reading that feminist slop again! My wife of 32 years (Mrs. Major B, my high school sweetheart, hot-blooded lover, silver fox, conscience, the chief critic of my preaching, mother to our three kids, deocorator extraordinaire, cook to die for, the one who must dress me if I am to look nice, my right-wing anti-feminist Queen, the one who kept the home fires burning and the kids in line while I was out defending Western Civilization against the lean hungry barbarians from the east)--she would not consider stepping down to mere equality with men. Her identity is not in me, nor is mine in her. OUR first level of identity is in Christ, and then in US--one flesh all that, God's idea, not mans. She understands her exalted position as the crown of God's creation, the mother of all living, the one for whom the husband (that's me) must die if need be. She likes me opening doors for her and pulling out her chair, she is comforted by the thought that this neanderthal viking she married can defend her, protect her, and love her without ever coming close to really understanding her. She knows why her "certificate of appreciation" from the president is an inch higher on the wall than my certificate of retirement from the military. She glories in the ministries that God has given her, and can't see why any woman would want what God has given someone else. "You have to go to those associational meetings, not me!"
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dianetavegia
Guest
Not me! la la la.. I Love Being a Girl! la la la
(Sound of Music)
You go Major B! GREAT reply!
Diane
Headcoveredlady
New Member
In the Bible there are references to local churches and THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST. Are we not members of His Body, His Holy Bride?
If you are with men who are part of the Body do you think it is ok to instruct them in the Scripture, even though not in a formal meeting?
If you are with men who are part of the Body do you think it is ok to instruct them in the Scripture, even though not in a formal meeting?
Headcoveredlady
New Member
Stubborn Kelly,
I am sorry that you feel valueless as a woman. God made us different for a reason. Being what God made is wonderful. He has a plan for women to do great things supporting their husbands and training their sweet little babies.
I know some are called to serve Him in singleness as well. But, they too have a purpose to be sold out to Him. Are you sold out to Jesus Stubborn Kelly?
I am sorry that you feel valueless as a woman. God made us different for a reason. Being what God made is wonderful. He has a plan for women to do great things supporting their husbands and training their sweet little babies.
I know some are called to serve Him in singleness as well. But, they too have a purpose to be sold out to Him. Are you sold out to Jesus Stubborn Kelly?
MajorB-
Kelly hasn't been reading any "feminist slop". But we both have had to read alot of slop on this thread that is demoralizing.
I know and understand that God has different roles for women and men.
BUT......
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I just get overwhelmed when I find Christians who want to grab a woman and shove her into her "place".
Jesus NEVER did that. Jesus NEVER made women feel anything except loved and needed and important to He and God.
S.O.
Kelly hasn't been reading any "feminist slop". But we both have had to read alot of slop on this thread that is demoralizing.
I know and understand that God has different roles for women and men.
BUT......
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- There is a woman on this thread who truly believes that she cannot have a face-to-face discussion with a man. I don't know if I want to shake her by the shoulders or hug and love her.</font>
- You, yourself, told a silly joke about the silence in heaven inimating that there must be no women there. On a sensitive thread such as this, that wasn't funny.</font>
- There was absurdly long and hostile view (with 9 or 10 long points, no less) that left me feeling weak and beaten down. That post was NOT about sharing an opinion of God's roles in life for women. That post was about browbeating a woman in to God's role for her life.</font>
- One poster said that a woman's only role was to be a good wife and mother. I am 41 years old. I am neither of those things. I wonder what that poster thinks of me.</font>
I just get overwhelmed when I find Christians who want to grab a woman and shove her into her "place".
Jesus NEVER did that. Jesus NEVER made women feel anything except loved and needed and important to He and God.
S.O.
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dianetavegia
Guest
Headcovered lady said:
Again, I firmly believe this forum/ board is far from being a church! We have members of different faiths and even different segments of the Baptist faith. Those who are saved among us are The Bride of Christ, His Church, but this is not A Church... brick, stone, etc. and we are not correcting or teaching our husbands on this forum either.
If you really feel under conviction about this, I think you should only post on the women's forums or on a board like
http://pub105.ezboard.com/bchristianladiesontheweb
which is Women Only and about 90% IFB/ KJVO.
Diane
Giving your opinion on an open forum is not the same as instructing men in the scripture. PLUS, would you NOT witness to an unsaved man?
Again, I firmly believe this forum/ board is far from being a church! We have members of different faiths and even different segments of the Baptist faith. Those who are saved among us are The Bride of Christ, His Church, but this is not A Church... brick, stone, etc. and we are not correcting or teaching our husbands on this forum either.
If you really feel under conviction about this, I think you should only post on the women's forums or on a board like
http://pub105.ezboard.com/bchristianladiesontheweb
which is Women Only and about 90% IFB/ KJVO.
Diane
Headcoveredlady
New Member
Diane,
Thank you for the link. Is that the one that you administrate?
I am still thinking about this one. I began to think about it because after the question was posed by a man and I wanted to answer but wondered if that is hypocritical. Since I do practice this in my personal life. Following these Scriptures literally, I mean.
Thank you for the link. Is that the one that you administrate?
I am still thinking about this one. I began to think about it because after the question was posed by a man and I wanted to answer but wondered if that is hypocritical. Since I do practice this in my personal life. Following these Scriptures literally, I mean.
Headcoveredlady
New Member
Since you were referring to me, it seems, I will answer. You wondered what I thought about you. You are a public school teacher, if my memory is correct. You said you are not married and do not have children.
Some women are called to a life of singleness. Look at Dorcas and Anna. Anna was a widow who served God all of her life with prayer and fastings. And Dorcas made clothing for the poor. These women were single yet they were sold out to God. Their entire lives were built around service to the King. Shouldn't that be said about all born again Christian women?
Do you serve the Lord with all of your heart? I do not know that. I hope you do. I do not know you personally. Do I think that the Lord can use a single woman in a public school? Absolutely He can.
I'm sorry some women feel bad after reading this thread....it is God's way and I am absolutely at peace with how God made me and designed me to be. I am happy to submit to a godly man who loves me and cares what I think...I love that he makes the final decisions about our family...I love that he is the spiritual head of our family and he leads the family worship time.
I feel it is an honor and blessing to be a woman and my husband makes me feel very special because I am cherished by him...it sure is not a degrading thing at our house!
We have very intelligent coversations together and he really listens to me and knows my heart...it is so not about him bossing me around...I respect him and want to submit because I love God and want to follow His Word. I love my husband and feel no threat what so ever about him leading,teaching us,and me being the woman God made me. I does not mean I am a doormat..it just means I want to live out God's Word and be a biblical model for my daughters.
Molly
I feel it is an honor and blessing to be a woman and my husband makes me feel very special because I am cherished by him...it sure is not a degrading thing at our house!
We have very intelligent coversations together and he really listens to me and knows my heart...it is so not about him bossing me around...I respect him and want to submit because I love God and want to follow His Word. I love my husband and feel no threat what so ever about him leading,teaching us,and me being the woman God made me. I does not mean I am a doormat..it just means I want to live out God's Word and be a biblical model for my daughters.
Molly
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dianetavegia
Guest
Headcovered Lady, No, that's not the website where I'm the Administrator. The mother's site I am part of allows women to join without having any church affiliation and it's sometimes a free for all with Mormon's posting 'biblical' answers to deep questions. We're working on getting it back on track. LOTS of editing and deletions. We do NOT allow ANY fussing tho.
Diane
Diane
I did not realize this was a "sensitive thread." Being a man, I also am not sure what you mean by that.
I have found humor to be a way to release tension and lighten things up. I have a sense of humor--after 20 years defending Western Civilization, and now teaching in an inner-city high school, I have found a sense of humor helpful.
Just as long as you don't get like the dyslexic agnostic and worry about whether or not doG exists...Originally posted by Molly:
I can have intelligent conversations,even though I can not type! Sorry for all the typos!
And Diane, am I insensitive? I did not even tell any of my jokes about nuclear war! (The ultimate in gallows humor.)
Let me apologize on behalf of boorish posts like the otherwise wise Major B.
There is nothing in your post, Kelly, that sounds like you've been reading feminist slop.
The problem with some of my over eager conservative brethren on this point is that the've missed the point of us being created, male and female, in the image of God.
Until some of are able to approach these specific Scriptures minus some of the churchified cultural bias, we are going to continue to sound like what we really want is to keep women under our thumb rather than in the Glory of God.
Giving your opinion on an open forum is not the same as instructing men in the scripture. PLUS, would you NOT witness to an unsaved man?
Again, I firmly believe this forum/ board is far from being a church! We have members of different faiths and even different segments of the Baptist faith. Those who are saved among us are The Bride of Christ, His Church, but this is not A Church... brick, stone, etc. and we are not correcting or teaching our husbands on this forum either.
If you really feel under conviction about this, I think you should only post on the women's forums or on a board like
http://pub105.ezboard.com/bchristianladiesontheweb
which is Women Only and about 90% IFB/ KJVO.
Diane </font>[/QUOTE]Good point Diane.
Further, the only admonition against women teaching men in Scripture is when the teaching is from a specific position of authority. In practice, all that this means is that a woman is not teach from the authority of the office of elder.
All other restrictions are arbitrary and, IMO, come from a very man-centered agenda. In essence, the sin of the Pharisees was not in seeking to be obedient to the law, but 1) drawing wide boundaries around the law to make sure that there was no way to violate the law 2) and then holding all of Israel responsible for their self-made boundaries.
This debate has long ago moved away from "what doeas the Scripture say" to "where is my comfort zone".