Repenting of sin-Once saved always saved

Let me see if I can make this a little easier to understand. No, the first man and the second are not in the same condition. The first man did not understand the word. How can you be saved if you don't understand the word? This reminds me of the story of Philip and the eunuch.

Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to [him], and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

In the second case the person heard the word and received it with joy. The scripture said he dureth (endured) for a while but then fell away. What was his condition right after he received the word with joy. I'm saying that he was saved. Please give me a better description of accepting Christ if you can. What was his condition after he was offended and fell away? He was lost. What happened in between? He lost his salvation.

David Guzik's commentary says:

2. (18-23) The parable of the soils explained: each soil represents one of four responses to the gospel of Jesus

a. The gospel must be understood before it can bear any fruit; one of Satan's chief works is to keep men in darkness regarding their understanding of the gospel (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

b. Others receive the gospel enthusiastically, but it is short-lived, because they are not willing to endure tribulation or persecution . . . because of the word

c. Others have fertile ground for the word - but their "soil" is too fertile, because it also grows all sorts of other things which choke out the word of God

d. But others receive the word, and it bears fruit in their "soil" - though in differing proportions (though none are "small")

 

Amen! I hate when people who don't believe in OSAS use the term "so called eternal life" or "so called eternal security". This is not what I believe, IT'S WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!!!

 

Jhn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
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This is what Jesus said. He is the vine and we are the branches. If we abide in Him (stay in the faith) we will bear much fruit. If not, God the Father will prune us away we will be cast into the fire. That says to me that salvation is dependent on enduring until the end. If we do not remain faithful we will be cast into the fire. You can interpret that as you will. I interpret that to mean that if we turn away from Christ we will go to Hell.

 

Grace +

= NO GRACE and a result of works.

 

= NO GRACE and a result of works. </font>[/QUOTE]No, I believe that salvation is by Grace. However, I also believe that this scripture and the others I have quoted (many other examples available) show that relying on Grace alone and not developing a close relationship with Christ which is evident in our daily lives, will lead you right down the broad way and through the wide gate to perdition.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Now, do you want to quote some scripture or explain why you don't believe the scripture I quoted?

 

This speaks nothing of persverance. Notice the "enter in at the straight gate". It does not say "enter in at the straight gate, and be sure to stay on the narrow road". If you enter into the straight gate, YOU ARE ON THE NARROW ROAD. Those who do not choose Christ, enter into the gate that is "wide" and leads to destruction.

 

People like OSAS because it means they don't have live an authenic life. They can be "carnal Christians," Well, I'll give you a clue. There isn't any such thing as a carnal Christian, someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. Yes, I'll argue all day against a false religion.

 

OR:

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

The problem with the misunderstanding of OSAS (IMO) is the definition of the word "saved" and it's different forms.

We assume all the nuances and flavors of meaning from a koine word simple transfer one-for-one over to English but IMO it's not that simple and in every occurrence of a given "problem" word we should carefully consider the context.

Both languages (koine, English) have a wide scope of meaning(s) for the word "save", often intersecting but often times not exactly aligned and sometimes not at all.

Then there is the object of the verb, that is, what is being "saved"?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/4/1124375100-3712.html

HankD

 

The Bible says that we should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Do you actually believe everything that your denomination or church do? I suggest that you should rethink thjat and decide what you believe not what somebody else says you shopuld believe.

 

The Bible says that we should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Do you actually believe everything that your denomination or church do? I suggest that you should rethink thjat and decide what you believe not what somebody else says you shopuld believe. </font>[/QUOTE]We aren't supposed to work out our salvation, meaning we need to make sure we maintain it, we need to work out our salvation like we work out our arms, we are to keep our walk with God "active". I work out quite often. If I stop, my arms will atrophy, but they won't fall off. If I work out more, they will become bigger and more efficient. Salvation is the same way.

 

I don't think anyone has addressed this passage of scripture which I posted earlier.
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Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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These are all people that are being judged. Some of them of entering into eternal life and of course only Christians will do so. Therefore, Christians are being judged by the same standards as non-Christians. Of course, good deeds done by non-believers are as "filthy rags" and count for nothing.