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@Dave... Yes they are the same Job 23:13-14 13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. What God desires He doeth it, performeth it

Those Christ died for as an ransom, that saved them. Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

@Silverhair Yeah it does, man is spiritually dead in trepasses and sins. Here is our walk as natural men Eph 2:2-3 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of...

No its not nonsense, Its Truth. If one is never born anew, this is Gods indictment of them Rom 3:9-19 9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one...

I do because it perseverance is the fruit and evidence that Jesus saved you and is preserving you.

@Van They dont ever seek God unless God gives them a new birth. If not that man remains in the descriptive behaviour of Rom 3:9ff without hope, without God and without Christ as Paul stated about the gentiles here Eph 2:12 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the...

@Dave... False statement. All men are naturally totally depraved spiritually, without any ability to believe in Christ spiritually. Thats why Jesus said no man has the ability to come to Him, which means believe in Him unless the Father Draws them, which is omnipotent power at work Jn 6:44

His People He foreknew were appointed heirs in Him and with Him; and we were loved as personally considered in Him. He was the comprehending Head in whom were embraced all the members. Christ as the Head of Election, was appointed Head heir of all things Heb 1:2 2 Hath in these last days...

You just say anything that comes to mind so as to resist the Truth

Rom 11:1-2 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel...

Jn 6:44 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. No man can come here means no man has the ability to come to Christ. That cancels out the myth that man has a freewill, It also means that no man has the ability to...

This sounds like what is called fullerism. Have you heard of that before ? Its basically a blending together of Calvinism and Arminianism, I believe its a very subtle way of believing in arminianism which is salvation by man meeting a condition, even if that condition is faith or believing...

A person cant believe in Jesus Christ unless they are born from above first. And again Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22; 2 Thess 2:13

What you mean, Ive said a million times that Faith is the fruit if the Spirit

The scripture doesnt say, its a mystery as the wind blows Jn 3:7-8 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the...

The scripture doesnt say, its a mystery as the wind blows Jn 3:7-8 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the...

Thats actually how I found the Truth. Now who did Jesus Himself specify for whom He is laying down His Life for ? Jn 10:11,15 11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Its crystal clear. What about this ? Who is Christ a Horn of Salvation for Lk 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

All this man made religion here.

The scripture doesnt say, its a mystery as the wind blows Jn 3:7-8 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the...