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Well I state it again, you reject Tulip you are rejecting the Gospel, doesnt matter how you kick and scream.

Just saying, God has shown more than just myself that Tulip Truths are Gospel Truths, and you hate them, not good.

Oh no, the elect were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, names written in the lambs book of life as well, and eternally loved with an everlasting love, which had to be in Christ Jesus.

They were accepted in the beloved before they came out of their mothers womb! Eph 1:6

@Ben1445 They are, no way around it. Even one of the most popular baptist ministers ever preaching, admitted this: Charles Spurgeon

@Zaatar71 okay i understand Okay do you believe the elect are Justified before God on the basis of Christ finished work on their behalf, purging them from their sins, before they are regenerated and while enemies by nature ? Yes or No, and then briefly explain why

@Zaatar71 Not Faith as a act of believing. Life always precedes activity. Take Cornelius for an example, he was surely spiritually alive b4 he heard Peter preach and believe the Gospel. He had a heart that feared God b4 he met peter, and no man by nature in the flesh fears God according to...

You do reject the Gospel, for Tulip Truths are key elements of Truth in the Gospel of Gods Grace. For instance, there is no Salvation by Grace apart from works, without being part of the Election of Grace Rom 11:5-7 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the...

They're in Christ b4 the foundation of the world, they are accepted in the beloved b4 the foundation of the world and b4 they hear and believe the Gospel Vs 6 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. This was b4 they are born dead in sin Eph 2

@Zaatar71 So then they are saved b4 they come willingly to Christ and believe ? Surely a person with a new heart given by the Spirit is saved, correct ? So its the saved, new heart person who comes to Christ willingly. A new Heart iimplies new spiritual will, affections, desires and so on, a...

@JonC Okay I believe you trusting in the flesh on this and cant see what is obviously true. @JonC I cant see that friend, not when you resist and deny individual election viewed in Eph 1:4 with Paul even using a personal pronoun for the inclusion of himself individually in the corporate...

@atpollard lol campus crusade ? All the way arminian, I encountered them on some college campuses I see !

@Zaatar71 Im not in agreement with this part so I have to question all of it. Man makes no choice in this matter. Man was sovereignly put in Adam and likewise Sovereignly chosen in Christ. The elect never chose Adam, nor never chose Christ, they were put into each federal head b4 they existed...

Lol scholars can be in denial, ultiametly scholarship isnt the final say, thatcan take things out of the hands of the Spirit of God. Scholarship is helpful at times and at times not, what matters is what scripture reveals and the Spirit is the primary teacher and not scholarship. 1 Cor 2: 11...

@JonC Right so its about both !

Moody in Chi town ? Arminian school you know ? But he could still learn from there. I graduated from a arminain bible college, but God preserved me through it.

Yes which was before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

@Silverhair Yes from the penalty of sin. Christ obtained it for them centuries ago Here Heb 9:12 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. Redemption here means: a ransoming...

I believe you are in denial on that point, or you honestly just dont have understanding of what you read there

@JonC Okay, so Eph 1:4 is also about Individual Election, all of them were together chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. That includes OT Saints and NT Saints. They were Chosen IN Christ, in Union with Him. When was Christ Chosen ? At that time they were chosen in union with...