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  1. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Note your words. "not only CAN, they even WANT TO believe." that is free will. If it was IRRESISTIBLE then you should have written "not only CAN, they even HAVE TO believe." They would have no choice in the matter. You are denying simple logic. God has provided the means for people to know...
  2. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Irenaeus was a man that man errors in some of his views and I would use my judgement to in regard to those mistakes. But I note you still hold to the pagan views that augustine brought into the church and which I have not seen any of those of the C/R view reject. Making an error about how...
  3. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    @atpollard how does the person freely coming to God, responding by choice to the gospel message equal an irresistible drawing of God. Your logic is nonsense @atpollard. Please explain the drawing of Christ for all people, remembering that in the C/R view you cannot resist the will of God. By...
  4. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    KY you get it wrong every time. I am not anti-cal the people just the anti the flawed theology that the C/R philosophy tries to push as biblical. But perhaps I should start saying all you C/R's are anti-bible.
  5. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    It is not that I do not believe you @atpollard it is what you say that I am responding to. You say that man will not respond but scripture shows that they can and do just that. God has done many things to show that He exists and that those that will trust in His son will be saved. And yes it...
  6. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    BF you are ignoring context again but I am seeing a pattern with your posts. Are you saying that Christ was foolish what He said He would draw all people and when the Father said He desires all to come to repentance?
  7. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Look at the context, look at what he says in the prior verse: "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;" Php_2:12 Who is Paul speaking to, it's born-again believers. So...
  8. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Note what the first verse you posted say " you were not willing" not that they could not but that they would not. That is free will @atpollard. The omnipotent God does draw but draw is not drag as you seem to think. Does Jesus drag all people to Himself as He said he would do if we held too...
  9. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Come to Me, and I Will Give You Rest Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Mat 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight. Mat...
  10. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Well if you are comfortable with your view then so be it but is is not what the bible shows us about the love of God for His creation. The TULIP theology makes a mockery of the love of God and calls His character into question. How one can square God's desire that all come to repentance and...
  11. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    A question for you and all those that hold to the false view of the C/R, why do you think God has to be "fair"? We do not find that anywhere in scripture but we do find that He is "just". As you pointed out via Eze 18:25 "Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of...
  12. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Odd you say that but you venerate the words of augustine and calvin as you hold to their false philosophy. You have a strange set of values. You make sweeping accusation against the ECF's but provide zero support for your words. But that is to be expected as they do not support the false...
  13. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Wow that is a stretch. You read your false religion into a text and then claim the bible supports it. Good thing that bible believers do not abuse the bible the way you do. Who can come to the Lord? Glad you asked. Mat 11:28 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give...
  14. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Pro 26:11 Like a dog that returns to its vomit Is a fool who repeats his folly. Pro 26:12 Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. I have not taken you for a fool but just as someone that was misguided. Was I wrong?
  15. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    Are you suggesting that I am not a Christian BF? Sure seems like you are.
  16. Silverhair

    "Predestined According to the Purpose of Him Who Works all things According to the Counsel of His Will", Ephesians 1:11.

    That would be funny if it did not actually represent the false view you have of scripture. Talk about reading your religion into scripture, That is eisegesis which is the opposite of how you should study the word of God. I did a bit of reading and I know why you do not like the ECF's, they hold...
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