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You are correct to say this. as the bible is very clear on this. The Son came to die a covenant death for the many Isa.53 speaks of.God has never intended to save all men ever bore. Ho does save all men , not the Jewsonly, but all the children of God scattered abroad; 50 Nor consider that it is...

I read the error you posted Silverhair! If Jesus turned the wrath away from these unsaved persons, they would not be cast into hell to experience it at the WTJ: No... We who believe have been saved, not potentially, but actually. If a life guard runs in to save a drowning swimmer, but drags out...

Yes, He actually is the propitiation for the elect sinner, anywhere in the world. When any sinner trusts God by a God given faith it shows they are elect

There is no other propitiation available. He is an actual propitiation, not a potential one

Glad to be able to help Charlie

Yes...Every single person whom He does this for, is saved from sins, and not condemned by God any longer. Just connect the dots.. 8 ;1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Correct! No one does this until...

Lol, Lost sheep are lost until they are found!

Yes, He actually is the propitiation for the elect sinner, anywhere in the world. The wrath of God is turned away from the elect, The non elect are still under that wrath of God, because they have No; propitiation, atonement, surety, mediator

Yes indeed. Jesus has purchased the rights to all flesh, if any are saved, it is because Jesus saves them. The others are left to face the just consequences of their sin.

Brightflame found all these scriptures once again. Do you like these scriptures SH?

mt.20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? jn.17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father...

Of course, I just believe what Paul wrote: 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a...

The elect, Covenant children, scattered worldwide! all the elect are sinners , before God saves them. All In Christ Everyone of the seed of Abraham, who are In Christ, the captain of their salvation Every believing one, the elect Yes, not the jew only, any believing one worldwide. everyone...

Are all me saved? If a real actual atonement was made they would be saved! Actual/ or potential? Are all saved? Salvation is of the Lord. Are you saying He does not save who He intends to save? No one will. That is why election and effectual call takes place! Do you see it yet? Is it only...

Easy SH! He was speaking of actual propitiation, it actually turns away the wrath for all it was intended to. You say it is only potential! The writers speak of actual atonement for all who are it's object! You say it is only potential! That clears it up a bit!

Now it would be nice, if you believed propitiation, and Atonement are actual, rather than potential!

That Jesus died to save sinners? Not all of them! Those given to Him by the Father!

The problem is there is only one True and living God! You by your own words say you do not know Him! To be clear...if a person says..."I cannot, and will not believe in a God who sends people to second death, saying depart from me, I never knew you...What would you say or conclude about that...

Which is why you do not believe in an actual propitiation. Instead you propose a potential salvation in which man must save himself.

Sure looks that way! Why would you do that? You could have said, thanks for the help!