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Well, I suppose I don't agree, since you put it that way.

Daniel's prayer. 9:4-19 4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done...

Yes, I agree, but His wrath is on the unbelief of man that makes him a sinner before God.

Hopefully you can see my point. God's wrath abides on the wicked because he has refused believe on His Son.

I hope this helps. 2 Thes. 2:11-12 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." They are all damned because they believed not.

If you read the next verse, 19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." God is angry with man because man will not acknowledge that He exists. 21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful...

"If you believe I am not He, you shall die in your sins." You see, not the sin but the rejection is the source of God's wrath.

Yes, through the perfect sacrifice for sin the forgiveness is there waiting for all men who will believe. Christ bore their sins but there is a condition that must be met for the forgiveness of sins. Those who reject that sacrifice in Christ still carry the wrath of God, they have no...

Obviously the wrath goes with the sin, and who is the sin bearer of mankind?

It went to Christ, He is the bearer of sin for all mankind, if they will accept Him. Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." As John has said, He is the satisfaction for not only our...

That's very much incorrect, JF. There has never been a covenant made with the Gentile Church. Paul is here speaking to the Gentiles. Rom. 11:24 "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall...

Yes, I agree. When I made the statement that God's wrath is continuous on the wicked, I had John 3:36 in mind. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Ahhh, you're from God's county, NC. I'm originally from the Wilmington area, living near Charlotte for the past 25 years. Now that I'm retired I'm going back to my roots, the beach. God willing.

That's not nice, Alan, that is the precise type attitude that brings on my fidgety condition that continuously afflicts me. I've discussed it many times with my doctor and they give me medication, but to no avail. I suppose I will eventually have to separate myself from the sources that bring...

Out of respect for your previous request to continue in Rom. 9, I've decided to do so, only for you to understand my point of view. I think it very important, actually a necessity that we understand one another's view. I wasn't joking about being lazy, or I should say fidgety as I'm older now...

I knew you were a nice guy with a heart for God. It's evident from your posts.

LOL, at 69 I would like to believe 57 is middle aged. I agree, Christ is the promised seed of Abraham. If you take a closer look at it, the New Covenant was actually made with Christ for man. Paul said this New Covenant is an everlasting Covenant, in other words it can't be broken. The Old...

Well, Paul tells us that Abraham is the father of all of us who are in the faith, as he was in the faith. The promise of the New Covenant was promised to the seed of Abraham, through his faith. That promise was carried to Isaac and then Jacob by birthright, excluding all other children of...

You're a nice guy Dave G, I don't want us to continue and become enemies. God bless you!

You see my view and I see yours, and we totally disagree. Nothing we can do, Dave G.