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Thats not spiritual death, but national death as they eventually did die. It has nothing to do with salvation through the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Most of the nation spiritually was spiritually dead in the first place, except a small remnant.

Titus 2:14 isnt my opinion

@Silverhair Technically thats correct, they were always saved by grace and purpose in the eternal phase of salvation 2 Tim 1:9 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus...

@Van He didn't die for all humanity and not one scripture says He did.

Of course it matters. What does passive voice mean in relation to the subject van ? You run and get the greek, now you saying it doesnt matter lol

I gave you my verse, that settles it for me, I make my claims from scripture that has enlightened me, I dont need your catch words. What I provided means the same thing.

In bible hub greek and blue letter bible greek text its passive voice, not middle. And scripture for all interlinear has passive voice eporeuqhsan eporeuthEsan G4198 vi Aor pasD 3 Pl WERE-GONE went https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat28.pdf Now if you have a source that...

I gave you scripture

I explained why. They went passive voice, because of the prearrangement of Christ, so they had no choice but to agree. Jesus is sovereign over the minds, hearts and wills of men fella

You seemed to indicate that all men receive grace from God, maybe at different measures, my point is that the non elect receive no Grace at all in the matters of salvation. God hasn't revealed Himself to all mankind that way. His revelation in creation doesnt count, that's not an redemptive...

@Van 16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. They may have agreed however Jesus did the appointing, they didn't appoint them selves. Also the words went away in the original are poreuō: to lead over, carry over, transfer to...

For some, not all, because some are vessels of wrath fitted for destruction Rom and there is for them a day of wrath Job 21 30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

This comment is unreasonable, , no disrespect

Matt 7 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Predestination and Election is twofold, one decree, some elected to salvation by grace, that's election of grace, and the rest elected to hardening and blindness, the reprobate Rom 11:5-7 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by...

So coming to Christ, believing in Him is impossible unless its given to a man, which corresponds to being drawn by the Father, this confirms the understanding that Faith to believe in Christ for Salvation is the Gift of God Eph 2:8 , its through and by powerful grace, and not by the ability of...

So God was not angry at the sins of the elect? Now I do believe the elect were never under God's wrath or condemnation you should know that from Reading me over the years however He is angry with sin even the sins of the elect. It's kind of a simple concept to me if the non-elect will experience...

I don't think you have to see the word wrath dave, but the point is what He did suffer and endure for the sins of the elect satisfied God's wrath towards them ,they don't have to face wrath which otherwise they would. You do believe those Christ did not die for will suffer God's wrath right...

In essence Jn 6:44,65 are saying no man can believe in Christ for Salvation unless its[belief] is given. Jn 6:65 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Phil 1:29 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ...

Not all men exist in the grace of God from the day of their birth, just God's elect the election of Grace. See the real teaching of Grace is that it's always only for a remnant you know what a remnant is?