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Maybe "Alliance of Former Baptists"? :Biggrin

This is a pretty good list. You're definitely a Baptist! A note: any such list is descriptive, not prescriptive. I see your point here. The only problem I see is, foot washing does not portray the Gospel like the two usually accepted ordinances do. But I could go to a church that practices...

Interestingly enough, you posted two lists from Trail of Blood. One is from the intro, and the other is from the author, J. M. Carroll. My copy doesn't have the first list with the same wording as the one you gave, but I'll answer your lists. I object to some of the points which are or should...

I would disagree here. If a Baptist church accepts sprinkling, to me they are not broadening the meaning of Baptist, they are diluting it and moving away from being a Baptist. IMO, at that point they ought to remove the name Baptist from their sign, and call themselves a Bible church, community...

Another list out there uses the word BAPTIST for a 7 point list of the distinctives. So then, a saved Greek Orthodox guy could be a Baptist? Or a Church of Christ guy who didn't believe their baptismal regeneration? Or a Paulician from many hundreds of years ago?? (Just askin'! ;))

Salty, don't you have some connection to Maranatha? Remember the BRAPSIS list of Dr. Richard Weeks?

Yes, I have those two books, and you are correct about the Jack Hyles they portray.

Do you agree with all of these? That's what I'm asking with this thread, not what others say, but what you believe they should be.

Rice would have completely disagreed with the post-Rice Jack Hyles in many ways. I have a whole chapter on the relationship between the two--and my own experiences with Hyles later on--in my book on Rice. Right at the end of Rice's life a rupture between the two men started to appear, but Rice...

This I wouldn't know unless we took an actual poll. :)

Here is what Hyles turned out to be after Rice died (from my book, 271-272): Hyles became increasingly more radical on this issue. “Within a few years of Rice’s death, Jack Hyles [had begun] repeating Ruckman’s arguments.”26 A Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (FBF) resolution said in 1995, “Hyles...

I have had several fundamentalist leaders tell me they thought Rice held Hyles in check, and that when Rice died, Hyles went off the deep end. Here is an excerpt from my book about Rice and Ruckman, pp. 69-70. (See the link at the bottom of my posts.) In 1973, a “King James Only” advocate...

I have several, and its a good thing. They can go for hundreds of dollars on the Internet! Hmm. A Rice Reference Bible signed by Biden's special pen?? The value would go way down.... Confused

Thanks for the kind words. I agree!

The other thread was closed where this was mentioned. John R. Rice was not KJV-Only. He did use the old ASV for study, but he always preached from the KJV. Sometimes he would refer to the Greek, Hebrew, or ASV in his writings. He thought Peter Ruckman was a "nut" (his word), and said as much...

I get the "Heinz 57" thing, believe me! Don't have much time to say more--the wife is about to pick me up. But I'll check out the Rice thing if I can find it.

I recently took a DMin course on Baptist Polity. The textbook was Theologians of the Baptist Tradition, ed. by Timothy George and David S. Dockery (Broadman and Holman, 2001). I happily recommend this to anyone interested in the subject of this thread.

Actually, 8 is the longest list I've ever seen! Not usually called a Baptist distinctive. To me, elder rule is a departure from the Baptist distinctive of two offices in the local church, pastor and deacon. When a Baptist church adopts elder rule, I begin to doubt their credentials to be...

Hmm. Maybe I should have said, "Don't look it up on the Internet or in a book, but just give your own view." :Coffee Dumb me, I didn't think people would be parroting what others thought they were. But I actually did say in the OP: "So, what does it mean to you to be a Baptist? Do you have a...

It was said on another thread that Lucifer being Satan was a Baptist teaching. Do you really know what it means to be a Baptist? The basic required beliefs for being a Baptist are called the Baptist Distinctives. I did not learn the Baptist distinctives growing up, not from Sunday School...