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That's pretty much the way Calvin did it, reasoning himself into heresy and ignoring the sign posts along the way.

The great sin of TULIP is leaving out the theme of Scripture. It's like the UR (Universal Restoration) focusing on what they manipulate and ignoring everything else.

"Adam fell, therefore Christ must die." That is if Adam's fallen race is to be redeemed. Pastor Price is very weak in Scripture.

I believe God gave man free will to choose his own way. Just the way He gave it to Adam in the Garden.

God can't fail, that is impossible. Ken doesn't understand God's mercy and grace toward mankind, to you He just shuttles off to Hell all that He doesn't want.

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No Ken, you don't want to understand as you have been told countless times. God made man a free moral agent to choose His own way. Man does not control God's salvation that he can make God a failure, that also is ridiculous! God has given man the ability to choose his own destiny by the...

That's ridiculous, Ken. Acts 17:30-31 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance...

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." You've got a dangerous nerve to make that statement, Ken!

If you're not familiar with Romans 9 in the context of TULIP, it's a favorite place where the TULIP dreamers go thinking they have proven unconditional election. But it taint so. Unconditional election denies that God in His foreknowledge looks into the future and determines His elect by free...

It's been normal trading pleasantries with you, ky. It's my bedtime now.

This could go on forever, but my posts proving TULIP to be a failed theory are not for you, or Dave G, nor Ken. They are for the others who are trying to learn the truth of predestination from God's Word. I intend to show them the truth.

A failed theory that denies so many verses of Scripture it boggles the mind. How can you not see why I oppose your theory?

No Ken, that's not correct. Everything God has said will come to pass, no doubt of that. He just hasn't said what you claim, you are the echoing voice of a failed theory.

That's YOUR perversion of God!

Or is it a hatred of false doctrine that has perverted God's love for the lost of this world?

Both physical and spiritual death were passed upon man in the Garden. In the end we will live forever in a body of flesh, the same body of flesh as Christ had after His resurrection. So God's original plan has taken a 360 and has come back to the beginning, the way He desired it to be.

God is till striving with rebellious man all over this world as He did in the days of old, Dave G, desiring that they turn from their sin to Him. Ezekiel 33:11 "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way...

Could it be that God was and is expressing His "desire" for all men to be saved, through this universal act of Grace and mercy bestowed on man?

Yes, we both look forward to it. There is something I would like for you to bear in mind before we begin our discussion on Rom. 9 tomorrow. Did you know that God created Adam and Eve to live forever in the flesh? Death was not pronounced on man, (with a forewarning) until after man disobeyed...