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    Questions About Predestination

    Is it possible you're making the choice to believe on your own having heard the Gospel message? Let me ask it in another way. Is it possible that you have heard the Gospel with the conviction of the Holy Spirit and believed that truth and God gave you righteousness? Not Him making the choice...
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    Questions About Predestination

    I'm thinking the Calvinists think they are the elect by believing it was predestined for them to believe and so they do believe, not realizing they made a free will choice to believe. I've never had a problem with the faith of the Calvinist's, I have a problem with how they think they came to...
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    Questions About Predestination

    It's a total misunderstanding of predestination. Just look at the answers in the OP that outright deny the Word of God, changing it to meet a theory devised by man. The believing individual is predestined to God's plan before the foundation of the world to be conformed into the image of...
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    Points of disagreement.

    I would agree on how we are saved, but disagree that all here see it that way.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Yes, it's very easy to assume this or that in Scripture. I call it reading between the lines, and I have some experience with it, lol. It's probably best kept to oneself that to bring it out here on the boards.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I'm sure the Lord will have no problems correcting our faults of reading between the lines. I think we all have some surprises coming.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I don't think He did, not because He couldn't, but because He made Himself of no reputation and took upon Himself the form of a servant. I don't think He knew what was around the next corner unless the Holy Spirit told Him. I see Him totally lead by the Holy Spirit, waiving His rights of Deity.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    He promised you eternal life, do you think He's bound to that? Not to mention many other things. He does it all by His plan before the foundation of the world according to His good pleasure.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Everything God does is by the legal means of His 2 Laws. The Law of Sin and Death. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Whether man or angel, including Satan, must obey these Laws, even God Himself is bound to these Laws. These are called the most powerful Laws in the universe...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    All of the miracles were by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Christ didn't know who touched Him when He felt healing power go through Him to heal the Gentile woman with an issue of blood. He only knew what the Holy Spirit revealed to Him, He didn't know when He would return, "no man knows"...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    No, I don't mind the questions at all, Jon. I look at the atonement as a means for fallen man to be reconciled to God. Paul said we are bought with a price. That price was the shed Blood of Christ. Why would God require such a thing, and that of His own Son? I believe God had no choice but to...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I believe Christ was a willing subject, but God did place the sins of the whole world on Christ. There is a condition to be met in order to benefit from that atonement, we must accept and believe in what God has done for us through Christ. So in the big picture it was done that man might be...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    We don't take sin nearly as seriously as God takes it. He is Holy and perfect beyond my comprehension. We all die physically because of sin, and we will all be separated from God for eternity if our sins are not forgiven according to His instructions. I suppose one day we will understand, but...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    The way I see it, no sin goes without punishment. God's hatred for sin and having declared "the wages of sin is death" cannot let sin go unpunished being the Righteous Judge. I see the sins of the redeemed being laid on Christ in God's mercy and Grace toward believing man. But the wrath of God...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I don't see it that way, Jon. Peter said that Christ bore our sins on the Tree. So I see Christ taking my sin upon Himself. Paul said that Christ was made to be sin who knew no sin. I see Him as taking my place to make my salvation possible. We can't help but read between the lines, and I...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    This is off topic but needs to be said, imo. Someone will say, how can the free gift be a free gift if there is a condition on it? The gift is not based on our performance, it is based on Grace through another's performance, Jesus Christ. Actually it's based on Love from the very beginning...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Righteousness earned can't be taken away, none of us can earn it but Christ did earn the righteousness freely given to us with the condition of grace through faith. Christ as a man stands alone as the only man ever to live that earned God's standard of righteousness. The reason His name is...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    He lived His life as a man just as we do, He laid aside His power as God, but could not lay aside the fact He is and was God.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    No, that's not what I said! There can be no forgiveness of sins without the sacrifice of Christ. Forgiveness for the OT saints was based on faith in the coming Messiah, at least where the Law was established.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Several times in the OT we read, "the soul that sins shall die." Depending on the context it can mean physically or spiritually, most often it's spiritually. It doesn't mean the spirit dies as in ceasing to exist, it's a reference to the second death. The Scripture doesn't say this exactly...
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