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Remember what I said John. You say there is only one way to come to salvation, via the gospel. I say that God can use various means to draw people to Himself not just the gospel. So I asked: Do you have a direct line to the mind of God. Do you have Gnostic insights to all the reasons for what...

As I said before, I see Him looking at the persons heart and not needing the words. You seem to be focused on the words. Did you not see where I said that those that hear the gospel message are responsible for how they respond to it. Just as I said "When the bible says He desires all to be...

Agreed I have no problem with the proclamation of the gospel, those that hear the gospel message are responsible to make a choice. I just do not limit God in how or why He will save. There is no other name, not Zeus, not Buddha, not Joseph Smith etc. Only God can save and He has chosen to save...

And those that hear the gospel message will be judged by how they respond to the gospel message. Where we differ is that I say God does not change. He still saves those that trust in Him through whatever means God uses to draw them to Himself.

There is NO SALVATION for lost sinners apart from GOD. To hold to your view you have to ignore what God has said and what He desires. You see it as only through Jesus and I see it as through the various means that God has used to draw man to Himself. God expects 1] that we can know Him 2]...

You have your opinion on how and why God will save someone and I see Him as more loving than you do it would seem as I see Him looking at the persons heart and not needing the words. You seem to be focused on the words. God does not do things willy-nilly. How many times do I have to write it...

JoJ you do not have to sympathize with me. I firmly believe that God is in the saving business. He saved those that believed in Him in the OT times and He does the same for those in NT times. If I am wrong then I have not denied all those that God choose to save through their faith in Him if...

Now we wait for the usual calvinist response, "you just do not understand calvinism".

I know this is hard for you to accept but God has moved first, it is called creation, conviction of sin and even the gospel message. I agree that unless one is born again they cannot see the kingdom of God. So what is you point. But you fail to realize that for one to be born again they have to...

Man is saved in just the same way in OT or NT times. By grace through faith. FYI not bothered by the term "dispensation". Those that hear the gospel are responsible for how they respond to it. Those that have turned to God in faith in response to a dream as we have seen happening in many...

The bible also tells us that we can respond to the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself. Do I need to trot them out for you again? And we are also told that we are responsible for how we respond to those means. The fact that you use the term "will not" but that we see numerous...

Since you say you have heard him say that then you must be able to point to where he said it. So where did he say it. Also where has he said man can believe with out the influence of the Holy Spirit? Those are quite specific accusations there Z. Now you need to back them up or retract them...

Agreed those in the OT just as those in the NT come to the father through the Son. They did not hear the gospel in the OT so what makes you think they could not respond to any of the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself?

So if man is able to choose to sin then what would lead you to conclude that they are not able to turn and trust in Christ Jesus? God seems to think that man can do so as He judges them for not doing so.

And again I point you back to the OT. They did not have the gospel message and yet they were considered righteous. They were saved by God through their trust/faith in Him. As a missionary preacher I am sure you came across or at least heard of people that had trusted in God prior to hearing the...

You have heard him say he was a Pelagian? Yes I have heard him but have never heard him say that man could perfectly obey God by their own will. Have you?

Based on what? What has he said that would lead you to that conclusion?

@John of Japan I am not saying that people are not saved through the gospel message but I am not willing to limit God in why He will choose to save people. I look at those in the OT and read Paul's words in Romans and I see that God reaches out to people by various means and what I see is a...

What is surprising is that you say others that do not follow your man-made views do not follow scripture and you actually accuse us of hating it. What you continue to miss is that we love the word of God but we do not like the way the calvinist's abuse and twist His word. But, speaking for...

Found this on the net. Clear and concise. "The gospel is beautifully simple: salvation has been fully paid for by Jesus Christ and is offered freely to all who believe in Him. Jesus, the eternal Son of God (Joh_1:1-4; Col_1:15-17), took on human flesh (Joh_1:14; Php_2:6-8; Col_2:9), lived a...