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Dave I know whom Paul was writing to but the problem when dealing with calvinists is they use a different dictionary. When Z a calvinist uses the term "elect" what does he mean or for that matter what does any calvinist mean. Do they mean those saved before the foundation of the world as...

Your getting as bad as BF. You repeat your foolish comments.

Oh I understand it quite well I just do not accept your calvinist slant on the word of God.

As I said "I have looked for the biblical text that shows salvific faith given to a person." Your response does not provide any verses that show that Ken. God chose to pour out His Spirit on the Gentiles, as He had previously done for the Jews who believed. God granted the Gentiles repentance...

But you still hold to the Calvinist/reformed views not withstanding that you use a different term to define your views.

Z you blew it with your first comment. "Romans5 Is speaking only of the Elect."

The "elect" do not need the gospel as their faith will be given to them after they are saved, well that is what calvinist think anyway. The shame of it is that what they believe is not what the word of God teaches. I do not use emotion but rather I present the truth. Repent and believe the...

Only for the calvinist BF only for the calvinist.

Either man has a free will or he does not. You seem to think his free will is limited to only reject but in that case it is not free will is it. I understand calvinism more than you think. I have seen many of the twisted bits of logic that come from those that hold to that view. Yes whoever...

Actually Christ did much more than you give Him credit for. 1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1Ti 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of...

The TULIP/DoG came from the fertile minds of calvinists when they twisted the word of God to fit a philosophy. Or as you said they could have come from the morning newspaper.

So do you believe man has a God given free will or not. But if Todd Friel had been honest to his calvinism he could not use the words he did nor can any other calvinist. Calvinism says God has to give you faith after you are saved. For the calvinist it is not a matter of "if you believe" but...

I am trying to understand your calvinst view on sin and punishment. Who suffers the punishment Z? You only have two options Christ or the person. So if Christ suffered the punishment for all sins then why is anyone judged? If man suffers the punishment for his sins then what is forgiveness of...

I do not deny the word of God but I do deny the calvinist twisting of it.

According to the context I have the correct understanding of vs 4. You on the other hand have read into the text what you need to find in order to support your errant views. You have said Eph 1:3-14 is one sentence but you do not treat is one.

That you have clearly misunderstood vs 4 is what cause you so many problems Z. Why do you read verses in isolation. As you rightly said 3-14 is one sentence so must be read that way. God's plan is that we would be chosen in Christ and Paul lays out the means for us to be in Christ, faith in Him...

Care to explain how faith is a work? What does Eph 1:13-14 say? we hear the gospel we believe the gospel and God saves us. We see the same thing in Rom 10:9-10. And what about Rom 1:16 the gospel is the power of God to salvation for those that believe. I should add what John said: Joh 20:31...

When have I said I do not understand Eph 1 Z? More than once I have pointed out the error of calvinists in regard to Eph 1. I have said that I do not understand how someone that claims to trust the bible, such as you Z, can misunderstand Eph 1 or many other verses in God's word.

If you listen to most calvinists they will tell you they were elected before creation based on their misunderstanding of Eph 1:4. Following their logic if one is elected before creation then there was not the possibility that they would end up in hell, in other words they were saved. For the...

I believe the gospel as shown in scripture BF. I do not agree with the false gospel that comes from calvinist philosophy.