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So again you show you do not actually believe the word of God.

I doubt that you have even looked at the history of the views that you hold. Until you do you are only answering form a man-made position. You have to hope what you believe is true.

Not a complete thought there Bf care to finish what you started to say.

Already answered BF.

No not deceived BF. Just looking at history. You should try doing that.

You still do not get it do you BF. We are all vessels of wrath until we are in Christ. Before that we are all unsaved. The objects of God’s wrath are the unsaved (Rom_1:18), who will suffer eternal judgment (Joh_3:36). God has patiently endured their antagonism to Him (Act_14:16; Rom_3:25), but...

When you make these comments BF it just shows you do not believe the word of God.

I am not the one that follows augustine's and calvin's odd teachings Bf. I leave that to you. I understand the good news of God's grace quite well thank you. As the bible tells us, we are saved by {God's} grace through {our} faith.

Just another false teaching of man BF. Trust the word of God.

That is what you want to believe but it is not biblical BF. You have trusted in the teachings of man and rejected the truth of God's word.

You should remember that there were no chapters and verses in Paul's letter. So you have to read it as a letter. Look back just a bit to Eph 1:13 and you will see the order of salvation stated clearly. Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your...

Ken you continue to provide excellent examples of some one that claims to trust the word of God but then denies the word of God. Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Eph 1:13 In Him, you...

BF were you a lost sinner before you trusted in Christ Jesus? Or to use words you may understand better, were you a "vessel of wrath prior to your trusting in Christ"? When we look at Mat 25:32-34 we see that the sheep represent those that have trusted in Christ and been saved and the goats...

I reject the twisted gospel of the calvinists as it is not biblical.

And he is still coming from a calvinist view that come from 4th century augustine thought which in turn was molded in pagan thought. When you twist scripture or come up with special definitions for words then your comments do become a tad suspect. Why would you expect someone who does not...

How odd that people that say they trust the word of God do not use the word of God to support their views but instead run to other calvinists to support their calvinist views.

So your saying you were not a sinner in need of a savior before you trusted in Christ?

Now that is not nice BF. I think you need at time out for your bad behavior. I do not have to twist scripture or redefine words to make it fit my theology. I leave that to the calvinists.

Not what the bible says BF. You are just mouthing the calvinist line. You continue to preach a different gospel. You do realize that we were all vessels of wrath prior to our trusting in Christ.

You were doing ok until your flubbed it and denied free will. God is sovereign and in His sovereignty He gave man the ability to make real choices as we see in everyday life. And yet you continue to deny man the ability to make the most important choice they can ever make. Man does not save...