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You have it backwards BF. Salvation is the result of believing and confessing. Note what it says BF. Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So you still will not bother to check out the foundations of your false philosophy. Your denial of the truth is truly saddening.

Then you have not been paying attention to what I have written. How many times do I have to quote the word of God regarding salvation before you actually believe it? Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, Rom 10:13 for...

But when you keep reading you find that salvation is conditional. Rom 10:6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), Rom 10:7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring...

BF I keep trying to point out the foundation of your errors and you continue to ignore this. Why is that BF? Are you afraid to investigate the foundations of the religion that you hold? It is those men that have brought those false ideas into the church.

God does not mislead but the men that you have followed have If you trusted the word of God then you would not be following tat man-made religion. There you go claiming that God gave you faith. If God had to give you faith then He has believed for you as you did not any faith of your own...

Rom 9:30 What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; Rom 9:31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Rom 9:32 Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by...

BF you are the one who holds to a 4 th century philosophy so those are not false accusations. Denying the truth does not alter the truth BF. Have you ever checked out the foundations of your religious view? I doubt that you have.

Ken you have been mislead. When you state "I contributed absolutely nothing to my salvation - nothing that I thought, or said, or did had anything to do with it. My believing and repenting were gifts from Almighty God, not mere fallen human attainments." Shows that you have not trusted what...

Ken I understand that you think you are holding to the truth's of God but you are reading them through the clouded lens of pagan philosophy. Ken, it is my hope that you will actually trust the word of God as written and not as you have been mislead. Calvinism - Augustinian Foundation These...

I expect you to disagree Ken as you have to hold to that false philosophy from the 4 th century. You have believed what some men have told you is the truth rather than trust the word of God.

Your the one that promotes a philosophy from the 4 th century that has it's roots in pagan teachings. You call augustine's teachings good and we know he got those views from Stoicism, Neoplatonism, Gnosticism, and Manicheanism which are all pagan philosophies.

Ken my gospel comes from the bible not from a false philosophy from the 4 th century. You would do well to heed what Paul said in the verses you quoted.

I have to ask why do so many who hold to the calvinist view ignore the context in which a verse is found? By doing so you continue to make mistakes by misunderstanding what the writer was saying. Your choice of Act 13:48 is a case in point. You make the unsupported claim that they were given...

What's the lame excuse BF? BF you pull verses out of the context in which they are found in the vain attempt to support philosophical views that have a pagan source. When you continue to ignore context you are presenting your own views not the views of the original writer. Quite often you...

Are you calling pagan philosophy good?

I understand that is what you believe but since it is not what the bible says the question is why do you believe it?

Problem is that if the person does not freely accept what Christ has done then God does not save Him. So we do see a condition. Eph 1:13, Rom 10:9-19

BF you really do not understand what is meant by looking at the context do you. When you, BF, post a verse that is not supported by the surrounding verses in which it is found then you are ignoring the context. If I post a verse that is supported by the surrounding verses in which it is found...

That is what I call the false religion that you are trying to say is God's truth. Do some research for yourself and see what the foundations of the calvinist philosophy is BF. Augustine brought what became calvinism into the church from pagan teachings in the 4 century and calvin and others...