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You are trying to prove a pagan philosophy is biblical.

BF you were starting in the right direction then you fell of the truck and said this "Once drawing starts, its a wrap, you saved" Drawing does not save anyone BF. All are drawn by Christ but not all are saved. That should cause you to see the error of your position but you continue to post...

Do you not have these verses in your bible? Mat_3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Mrk_1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He...

BF you seem to be moving in the right direction at least. We are drawn by the power of God be it through His creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message etc. But man being drawn does not mean saved. Many who are drawn will reject God. All you have to do is look around BF. How many have...

There you go again BF, your words condemn you. Drawing does not make you a new creature just as it does not save you. Your view is not biblical so I have to ask where did you get it from?

That is something that I have pointed out to BF many times and yet he sticks to his man-made view of scripture.

You have to read your religion into the text for you to come to that conclusion BF. God desires that ALL come to repentance and Christ said He would draw ALL to Himself. Where you error is when you make the drawing irresistible. So are you saying that both God the Father and Christ were...

You continue to ignore the context BF and as a result you continue to make grievous errors. What does this verse say BF? Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor...

BF it is your words I am responding to. If you do not agree with what I have said then show me where my conclusion is wrong. You cannot say "The drawing saves them and gives them faith" when Christ tells us He will draw ALL to Himself and not expect to have that charge made. If Christ draws...

You stopped reading to soon BF Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh 1:9 That was the...

BF I am just responding to the posts that you have made. Your post leads to the conclusions that I have made. It is your deterministic philosophy that is causing your problems. To quote you again BF "The drawing saves them and gives them faith" BF it it your words that lead me to the...

It is clear that you do not have a good grasp of the English language BF. Your own words prove you have the wrong view of salvation. And yes your words do show that you , whether you understand it or not, do lead to universalism.

Yes God is sovereign over His creation. He is just not "absolutely sovereign"/ deterministic as your religion requires Him to be. Your deterministic view would require that God be the actual cause of all the sin and evil in the world and thus responsible for such. The bible is clear that God...

Yes the gospel is powerful and those that hear and respond in faith will be saved. But you seem to think that only some hear it or that God only makes to powerful to some. The reality is that even of those that hear the gospel message some will freely accept the truth and some will freely...

That is your misunderstanding of the word of God through your continued cherry picking of verses and ignoring of the context of those verses that you think support your view. You are doing just what the WOF leaders and the cu*ts do. You are misusing the word of God to support non-biblical views.

So again you are promoting universalism BF. Christ was very clear in His statement or do you not believe what He said? Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." Note The word "people" is not in the Greek text but is supplied for stylistic reasons...

BF you have just proven free will of man. metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας ... ἑλκουσης ἐπί ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπό τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Aelian h. a. 6, 31; likewise 4 Macc. 14:13; 15:8...

So again you are promoting universalism BF. You have to deny the word of God if you hold to your false religion. Joh 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself. Was Christ lifted up BF? God has a love for His creation and desires all to come to repentance or do...

I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse: therefore choose life Deu_30:19 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose...

You hear in theological circles, especially from Calvinists, that “God is Absolutely Sovereign.” They say this so often that a person would think it was a scripture – it is not. In Calvinism, the idea of “Absolute Sovereignty” is that God planned, orchestrated, and causes absolutely everything...