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That is a rather strange bit of logic there BF. When the bible holds man responsible for the choices he makes then logically he has the free will with which to make choices. But according to you man cannot do that so the question is how is a Holy God just if He condemns man for not doing...

So are you saying that someone calling out to God for salvation is not that sinners prayer? It seems to me that those of the C/R view want to diminish the value of a person freely trusting in God for their salvation via calling out to Him through prayer as it does not fit your philosophy that...

Those that reject God do not have a theology. Theology is the study of God and His character. So not man centered theology. To think you were saved before creation is the error of the C/R view. God's plan was set before creation that all those that would trust in Christ would be saved. That...

We had an outreach at a coffee shop [The House] in Calgary. I would have those that said they understood what salvation was to present the gospel to me in their own words. By doing that it helped both of use improve in how we presented the gospel message.

I would say the problem is not the "sinners prayer" but the presentation of the gospel message. It seems to come down to is the one presenting the gospel message just trying to add names to a tally sheet or are they trying to save souls. The one hearing the gospel message does not have to...

Perhaps you will believe these biblical scholars. appointed/disposed τεταγμένοι G5021] The meaning of this word {τεταγμένοι G5021} must be determined by the context. The Jews had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life: {Act_13:46} the Gentiles, as many as were disposed to eternal life...

You are ignoring the context Ken. In context God "appointed" them to salvation in response to their faith. When you use the term "ordained" it implies that God predetermined who would be saved. That does not fit the context or the overall biblical view.

But what is the sinners prayer? As far as I know it is just something that Paul Washer coined. To me a "sinners prayer"would just a sinner calling out to God for salvation.

The KJV has used the word ordain but it is better translated as appointed. tasso. G5021 1. This word means “to appoint,” “to order,” with such nuances as “to arrange,” “to determine,” “to set in place,” “to establish,” and middle “to fix for oneself.” [TDNT Theological Dictionary of the New...

Your rendition does not fit with the context. But that does seem to be a common problem for those that are of the C/R view. Calvinists treat Act_13:48 as if it contains the phrase by God when it does not and they interpret it irrespective of Act_13:46 which sets the contextual tone. To state...

A view consistent with Paul’s narrative on Jewish evangelism, “the man who wills or the man who runs” would reflect the false assurance of salvation through works and bloodlines, that is, the perception of the unbelieving Jews who thought they were essentially born saved as children of Abraham...

What you may be forgetting is that they are not pastors they are wolves in sheep's clothing. They are only there to fleece the flock not lead or teach the flock. But you also have to question those that would continue to believe what they are saying.

Spiritually dead = lost, it does not mean that cannot respond to the various means that God uses to draw people to Him. They hear the gospel and believe the gospel.

I have no problem agreeing with that statement of faith as it is biblical. Although I would not call myself an Arminian as I trusted in Christ over 60 years ago. I just believe the word of God as written. I do not like labels as they only serve to divide people.

If they adopted TULIP/DoG

So then what do you think it means in Eph 1:13 and Rom 10:9-10. Is that confessing [prayer] Christ or what? Are there a special set of words that someone must say for it to be considered a confession of faith prayer? Although this verse is not found in the best manuscripts lets look at what...

David what do you think calling out to God is if not a prayer? In Rom 10:9-10 what do you think confessing faith in Christ is if not a prayer? Explain Eph 1:13 not being a prayer? If it does not have the exact words it does not mean that the text indicates,is that what you are saying David...

Actually the idea of a sinners pray goes back just a bit more than that. Paul suggested that here Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes...

They gave you a safety mat!

Not sure if he has the people skills required.