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Do some research ZA. You will find that the church has moved back and forth between a deterministic and liberal view. We saw that as a move from liberalism and we see that happening now as a reaction to determinism. Both views have caused harm to the body of Christ. Both views came about...

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE...

The comparison is lost when you make God's creation look so dismal that just a bit of sunshine would seem glorious.

We have seen in history the ebb and flow between the hard of determinism and the soft of liberalism I only hope that we can come to a biblical grounding. Only time will tell. Some approach these discussion as a contest that has to be won. That is not how I approach it and I hope that is not how...

What a depressing why for a Child of God to look at His creation. I am in awe when I look at a sunset or the flight of a bird or a 1000 other things that God has provided just for our enjoyment I truly feel sorry for the Christian that sees life as Philpot did.

Still no response from you rebutting that the basis of calvinism is pagan philosophy. You can deny the truth but that does not change the truth ZA. Since you are so sure it is not true then where is your proof that what I said is wrong?

Glad you feel that way but what we see as the norm in scripture is that men respond to the gospel message and turn to God in faith. That is not saving themselves but rather trusting in the one that can save them. 1] Man is a sinner but not so bad that they can't respond to the drawing of God...

Actually the majority of Christians believe this ZA.

You are funny ZA. You actually believe that you have the ability to make reasoned arguments. IF you are so sure that your man-made religion is not based on pagan philosophy then do the hard work and prove it. We know from history that augustine brought pagan teachings into the church so you...

Then whatever church you were attending must have had quite a bit of calvinist religion in there teaching.

Oh I forgot I do not have my Calvi dictionary on hand. See there is just another of your many failures ZA. You keep reading your religion into the bible rather than get your theology from the bible. You are under the delusion that calvinism is the standard by which the word of God should be...

"If Calvinism is an error: The reason most Christians reject it is because they have good discernment. If Calvinism is true: The ultimate reason most resist it is because God sovereignly and unchangeably decreed their resistance for His own glory. The above quote say it all ZA. Calvinism is a...

So since sin and evil come to pass then God ordained it so you have just made God the author of all the sin and evil we see in the world. Your doing a fine job of showing why people should repudiate the false teachings of calvinism.

I have looked at some of your calvinist web sites and what I have seen is the same false teaching that you and a few others have tried to push. I do note that you have not provided anything to counter what I have shown many times on this board. Augustine brought in the pagan philosophy and...

Ah the arrogance of the calvinist on display. Foreknowledge, to know before. That does not require God to "look forward down a time tunnel to learn something". What you seem to have not understood is the God is Omniscient, He does not have to learn something ZA He always has known it. In His...

So what is your point ZA? Did you expect me to quote from a pro calvinist web site? That fact is that your religion is based on pagan philosophy that augustine brought into the church, do you deny this?

Keep searching BF. It is not going to change the fact we are saved by the risen Christ Jesus.

reconciled to God by the death of his Son being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life You just cannot accept the truth of God's word can you BF.

I am always amazed at how closed minded those of the C/R view can be. You give them clear scripture that proves their view is wrong and they will jump threw hoops and search for any verse they can find that they think supports their view but just will not accept the clear word of God.

BF I have posted the clear scripture that shows we are saved through faith in the risen Christ.