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We all should try to read John owens the death of death in the death of Christ

that wrath will either be visted upon the lost sinner, or else upon Jesus in our stead That last line really is something, are you statin g that those of us posting here on this thread are all in the flesh? Do you not know per the bible being in the flesh would mean not saved? We would then be...

Evidence would be when JonC keeps repeating god will not judge another for anothers sins, will not bring to blame someone not guilty of the sin, so woudl not be any way to have the sinless lamb of god per him get that wrath of God, yet if the atonement of the Cross was not Pst, then again, where...

I did read it, as the wreath of god must be appeased, must be accounted for towards the lost sinner before there can ne any justification made

White there are many views on the Atonment of Christ upon that Cross, the PST is the MOST biblical view

Where did the wrath of God the ftaher towards those who got saved go though? And are we born spiritually dead or not in Adam?

Do you believe that from eternity, teh father and the Son had planned the Cross, and that the Son would become incarnated as the man Jesus, and agreed to take upon Himself the very wrath we all deserved of a a Holy God ? And that Jesus willingly took upon Himself that required wrath and...

Think that a majority of Baptist pastors teachers would still see the Atonement in the lines of the Pst, regardless if hold to Calvinism or not, as Pst does NOT need to hold to any particular Sotierology to be found in the scriptures as the best view on the Atonement, not the only, but the most...

Every cult and ism in he end must deny the truth of the scriptures and must lean upon their founders false doctrines and theology as the truth

The NT Greek is not your friend AI Overview +3 The Koine Greek word for "propitiation" is ἱλασμός (hilasmos), which means an appeasing or atoning sacrifice. Other related terms include hilasterion (propitiatory) and hilaskomai (to propitiate). This concept appears in the Septuagint and New...

He cannot get the pagan idea of appeasing the wrath of a god out of his mind. Right there is where you deny atonement as defined to us by Jesus and Paul

How can one know for sure that is not biblical is wrong?

truth is that the greek term as used by paul would take the sin of bearing and taking wrath as the way to appease that righteous anger against sin. WSe saw even decades ago some like CH Dodd of NEB fame could not stand that term, so used watered down expiate C. H. Dodd argued that God's wrath is...

A Holy god Must have someone die and atone for their sins have committed, as thesoul that sins must die, no way around that truth

God wrath against sin must be satisfied, for he cannot just say a sinner is now in his sight sinless because God wants to forgive them, or that they repented and asked God to do that, as MUST have a provided basis for Him to now be able to do that and still remain the Holy Judge

We just think that your new understandings are not found in the scriptures, but is a means to circumvent the wrath of God and Jesus death being made to propiate that very wrath of a Holy God

pretty much all Reformed, and a majority of Baptist would hold to it , especially pastors, teachers, and theologians

Jesus and Paul referenced the PST atonement view though to us, Calvin and the reformers did not just "make it up out of air"

You mean like when God plainly stated to us the soul that sins, must be put to death?

So all of the reformers and majority of the Baptists are not really saved? How can you be so sure that we misunderstanding what the bible teaches and yet you understand it correctly? You have insight and understanding exceeding all Reformers and nearly all Baptist scholars and pastors and teachers?