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Thanks for the support, I am not going to address again why I disagree with "automatic salvation" "when he believes." Or that anyone was saved from the penalty of sin when Christ died on the cross. But I agree people have been being saved, positionally sanctified, from the day Christ died, as...

1) They were chosen individually and conditionally such that the older would serve the younger. They were not chosen for salvation under the New Covenant. Thus the citation is non-germane noise. 2) Paul was chosen to be His messenger from the womb. Again, another non-germane citation to...

Your defense fails on the grounds it is gibberish, a word salad worthy of Kamala. There are at least two views as to when God chooses individuals for salvation. The first view is that God choose everyone to be saved before creation based on an interpretation of Ephesians 1:4, which says God...

2 Corinthians 5:21 proves imputed righteousness is malarkey, as we are made the righteousness of God only when we are transferred into Christ spiritually. Thus we undergo the washing of regeneration to become the righteousness of God.

Here is a typical Calvinist claim: That is why it takes the power of the Holy Spirit to regenerate a lost sinner, to give them ears to hear, to open their hearts, and to grant them the gifts of saving faith in the finished work of Christ and repentance of dead works(such free will decisionism...

Salvation has three aspects: 1) Positional Sanctification where God puts a lost individual into Christ, setting him or her apart "in Christ." 2) Progressive Sanctification, where we as born anew believer, indwelt with the Holy Spirit live our our physical lifetime growing more "Christ-like"...

Thanks for the post and I believe it is totally on topic. 1) Psalms1329:14-17 says God knew David from when He was secretly made, thus from conception not before creation. Substance unformed refers to the fertilized egg, David with his human spirit providing life to his unformed body. This...

Thanks for offering a "Calvinist" defense of your mistaken view individuals were chosen for salvation before creation. First a denial of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 claiming we were not chosen through faith, but misrepresenting it as being chosen "because" of our faith. Second a denial of Romans...

Yes, thanks for the heads up! In Ephesians 2:1-2, we see were were dead in our sins, so in a fallen state, so not yet chosen. Further we walked (behaved) in a manner consistent with the age (the fallen age of humanity). So yet another verse requiring our election for salvation to have...

Yes, yes, and yes!!! That is exactly what 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says, the "sanctification by the Spirit" is the transfer into Christ!, based on God crediting the person's "faith in the truth" as righteousness. Thus God has been choosing individuals for salvation from the beginning of the New...

I see I need to take back my mantra of total denial by those visiting this thread. JD731 came through with flags flying high! The observation that our all knowing God would not call (invite) people using the gospel, if He knew that all of them could not understand the invitation. What could...

In Ephesians 2:12 were were once godless in the world, yet according to every single poster having viewed this thread, we were elect and safely snuggled into Him. Talk about people wise in their own eyes...

In Ephesians 1:1-2, we see were were dead in our sins, so in a fallen state, so not yet chosen. Further we walked (behaved) in a manner consistent with the age (the fallen age of humanity). So yet another verse requiring our election for salvation to have occurred during our physical lifetime...

1 Corinthians 1:27 says God has chosen those consider foolish according to the world's value system to shame those who see themselves as wise. Does anyone not see the fallen behavior of humanity has been established in human culture at the time of their individual election. To push all these...

Romans 8:33 asks a good question, who brings a charge against God's elect. So after a person has been chosen for salvation, they no longer can be charged with any wrong. But we know that we behaved according to our fallen nature before we were reconciled. So how do those claiming we were...

Thanks, some posters are sure I am wrong, but a little shy in explaining why. But watch and learn, I expect no poster will agree that we are chosen individually during our physical lifetime.

I am not sure what this thread is all about, but it appears to be another one that says if you do not interpreted the bible as I do, they you do not believe in the bible. Yes, some people do not find Hades and Gehenna as the afterlife consequence of sin. Some of these no doubt find...

Never mind that many are called (or invited) but few are chosen requires being called and drawn via the gospel message, before being chosen. Matthew 22:14.

There are at least two views as to when God chooses individuals for salvation. The first view is that God choose everyone to be saved before creation based on an interpretation of Ephesians 1:4, which says God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. The second view, is that God is...

The fields are white for harvest and labors can hasten the day of Christ's return, as the number to be elected has been predetermined by God. Matthew 24:22 provides an indirect indication that a fixed number will be reached, and then the end will come. Here is a version of the verse: If those...