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This post is in response to the opening post, and does not attempt to address any arguments made in the next 50 or so posts. I do not see any need to invent a name (provisionism) to describe the fact that although we are conceived in a fallen corrupted sinful state, separated from God, that...

Note the list of undefined vague terms. Surety means a payment for a debt. Does this answer the question, did Christ die for the specific sins of specific individuals, or for humanity's sin? No answer is specified in the posted blarney. Ditto, whose debt of wrath? No answer. All these...

Yet again, complete nonsense. God is reconciling the world, not has reconciled the world. Full Stop

Did anyone see the phrase "inherent faith" in the opening post? Neither did I. What is "inherent faith?" Lord knows. Do the "Lost" have the innate ability to seek God and trust in Christ. Yes, but some lose their ability, by the hardening of their heart, like soil #1 of Matthew 13.

If you want to start a new thread, have at it. Please address me and I restate why our faith merits nothing, it is God who turns a sows ear into the silk purse of "saving faith" when He alone credits it as righteousness. Faith not credited merits...

Once again the false doctrine is claimed, not by evidence, but by simply claiming "taint so." Does 2 Corinthians 5:19 say or suggest Christ is not the means of reconciliation? Nope God has committed to us the message of reconciliation, we are to beg the lost to "be reconciled to God." As...

Once again, a claim is made without any reference to scripture. Folks, ask this poster for all the verses where the word "appeasement" is said to be accomplished by Christ's sacrifice. See how many he provides. Bottom line, the noun forms of verb do not indicate an action being...

" if the manner of Christ's death would have been different (in any respect) would God have rejected His sacrifice for the sin of the world? Of course God would have accepted Christ's willing sacrifice of His life for the sin of the world, the just for the unjust. However, the manner of His...

If we look at just 1 John 2:2, we see various English translations rendering "hilasmos" G2434 usually as something that has accomplished something, rather than the means by which something might be accomplished. For example, several translations go with "atoning sacrifice" indicating the action...

Great observation! Thanks! Jesus said He had not "found" such great faith in Israel. Here the idea is to find by chance. Matthew 8:10 and Luke 7:9 also indicate Jesus marveled, or was surprised to find such great faith. But some reject the plain meaning, and claim Jesus expected to come...

We gain access to the grace of our salvation through faith. And that faith is according to our own conviction, rather than according to an outside influence. Romans 5:2, Romans 14:22

Why make such claims without citing any support from scripture? Did you define what "prepared beforehand" meant? Does this refer to being supposedly chosen before creation? If so, that is secretly introducing a destructive heresy Why introduce "according to His foreknowledge" without any...

Yes, when Paul refers to faith, he is referring to our faith and trust in the promises of God, which includes our heartfelt commitment to follow Christ. Lip-service faith or faith lacking actual deeply rooted commitment is not in view. In all 5 verses where the phrase "according to faith"...

The Greek preposition, Kata G2596 is used several times in conjunction with an individual's faith. Here are some of the verses, Matthew 9:29, Romans 14:22, Titus 1:4, Hebrews 11:7 and 11:13. Used literally to show direction, the preposition refers to being under something. Used...

Not sure if post #18 was in part addressing my objections. I agree with "Jesus died for our sin, and He was Himself sinless. The verse (1 Peter 2:24) which in most translations says Jesus "bore" our sins bodily, is the poor translation. Scripture does not actually say that. It says He...

PSA is false unbiblical nonsense.

No problem, seems to be based on specific scripture! Through Adam's sin, death entered humanity, and spread to all humans, for all have sinned in that all are conceived in a sinful separated state. Just as through the disobedience of one man, Adam, the many (those in Adam) were made sinners...

Several English translations of the Greek New Testament use the word "propitiation." The NASB uses the English word to translate G2434, a masculine noun, and G2435, a neuter noun. In 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:10 the masculine noun "hilasmos" is translated as "the propitiation" and footnoted as...

Scripture says no plan of God can be thwarted by humans. (Job 42:2). God's predetermined plan was to deliver His Lamb, Acts 2:23. Therefore the premise of question one is "what if scripture is not true?" In that case, we are in deep do-do. Second question, if the manner of Christ's death...

Yet another post addressing me. Nuff said. God can destroy, meaning end the existence of, the human soul in Gehenna. This is cogent. Next, the punishment for some will be more tolerable than others. Does this cogent poster deny this truth. Read the able and say yes or no.